Agreed. There are good and bad on both sides of that line. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Graham Hobbs <gho...@cdpwise.net> wrote:
> Seconded. > All the business systems in the world seem to work just fine so they must > have been written by systems programmers:-D > > On 2015-04-13 9:21 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: > >> Sorry for this rant but I just had to step in on this conversation. That >> is the most hoary, antiquated, and prejudiced set of statements about >> application programmers that I think I have ever seen you make. I remember >> making stupid mistakes when I was a junior programmer and needing to ask >> for the systems programmer's help, but to bring up that dumb 0C7 example is >> just dredging up ancient history of application programming people as they >> MAY have been but were never ALL alike. >> >> In my experience, most of the COBOL application programmers who are left >> working today (and I must admit there are fewer and fewer of us every day) >> are both reasonably bright and very experienced in using the tools that >> earn them their living. Do they know the latest CS paradigms and >> theories? Not always (some do!), but they can program the daylights out of >> a business application need, and get it done on time and with high-quality >> regression testing done too. >> >> Knowing how to use COBOL FUNCTION intrinsics to translate text to or from >> ASCII or any other code page is not rocket science, it is just normal >> business programming. >> >> Please get off that ridiculously high systems programmer horse of yours >> and join us here in the 21st century. >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Ed Gould >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:46 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Standard IBM Enterprise COBOL Service to convert ASCII to >> EBCDIC >> >> Ze'ev: >> Because in most cases programmers are less than lets say bright. If >> you bring up ASCII you will only confuse them. I suspect they will >> try and use it in some sort of horrendous fashion, like convert to >> ASCII and then back. To give you an idea how stupid programmers can >> be a S0C7 turns into a tech support issue as the system said it was a >> 0C7 so it is a systems issue. Thats how bad some programmers are. >> >> Ed >> -- >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by >> e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
