I agree with Colin in that the decline in mainframe usage is partly the "herd wisdom" picked up from the seatback airline magazines starting around 1990 +/-. The other part is that IBM has, once again, shot itself in the foot with software. There is a mindset in IBM that goes back, in my memory, to the bi-annual attempts to stabilize DOS and then DOS/VS to the early 1970's and convert everyone to "big-OZ". That same mindset continued with SNA. SNA was and is a great architecture, but it wasn't and isn't the only way to communicate over a network. Couple that with the insistence that there there had to be an OS presence involved with the solution. First it was VSE/VTAM or VS1/VTAM VM/VTAM was shoved aside even tho there was a VM native solution. Now we are left with an MVS/XA remnant in GCS. Look, also, at IBM's mis-steps with OS/2. What a great operating system compared with MS Windows in the late '80's and thru the '90's! If development had continued, one can only imagine what it would be today.

We too are on a "get rid of the mainframe" path, altho it has been going on for at least 10 years and will probably continue after my retirement which most likely will be in a couple of years.
Jim

Colin Allinson wrote:

I think it is not just beginning but is well under way in most places. Part of this is a sort of 'religious belief' in the conventional wisdom that anything that is not a mainframe will be cheaper (more cost effective) and will run modern systems better. Any arguments to the contrary, no matter how well supported by facts, are immediately dismissed as being presented by those stuck in the past with a vested interest in retaining mainframes. It seems to be a case of 'everybody else is doing it so it must be right - don't confuse me with the facts'.

Here, like many places, there is a definite plan to eliminate mainframes from the organisation at almost any cost. Luckily for me it will take longer than most places, because of heavy reliance on TPF for our core business, so I should see it to retirement.

Having said all this I do agree with what Steve implies, IBM are not entirely blameless in this decline.

1. When the Z/series with IFL's was announced a subtle change in the emphasis would have made a huge difference. If this had been announced as primarily a shared LINUX server that had the additional benefit of **also** running legacy mainframe code then there is a chance it would not have been tarred with the mainframe brush.

2. Software pricing has long been the bane of mainframe economics (with some justification). It is perfectly true that development and support costs must be reclaimed but the argument for maintaining high software costs for products that are now stabilised / out of support is much harder to justify. We are currently going through a software cost reduction exercise and are looking at the most expensive products first. Some that are no longer current fall into this category so we have found free or reduced cost alternatives. If IBM had reduced the monthly cost for outdated products to a more reasonable figure then we would probably not have even questioned them - as it is we eliminate the product and both we and IBM lose.

Colin Allinson
(speaking for myself)

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