Ah, fond memories of those amdahl classes in Columbia, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Munson Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:03 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM usability
IBM education for VM that was ......... I remember 17 years ago going to back to back VM classes in Crystal City CP internals and CMS internals. Then a week long VMSES/E class in New York taught by David Chase. Those were the days my friend those were the days .................... Bill Munson IT Specialist Office of Information Technology State of New Jersey (609) 984-4065 President MVMUA http://www.marist.edu/~mvmua Jim Bohnsack wrote: > I think that you are talking about something that is either going to > hit > us real hard or IBM is going to come out with something that will > eliminate the need to the CMS based tools "old folks" such as me and, > having met a lot of you at SHARE conferences, most of the rest of you. > You look around at SHARE and you almost never see someone who is closer > to college age than retirement age. Those rare ones are not sitting in > on the kind of VM sessions most of us do. There is, for all practical > purposes, no IBM education that would take a new, inexperienced person > from an Intro to VM course level to an advanced level. > > Maybe this means that IBM is going to eliminate the need for us CP/CMS > knowledgeable sysprogs. Notice the greatly expanded number of lpars > that are permitted on the newer processors. An lpar is really a virtual > machine running under a CP based hypervisor. How much CP/CMS is needed > to carve out an lpar? Something like that may be where we are going--or > at least the rest of you. I'll be at full SS retirement age in a year > and a half. > > Jim > > David Boyes wrote: >> All true at a high level. But, I think we're going to have to >> struggle very soon with a number of these usability issues. Note >> that in recent IBM presentations on VM futures, CMS investment seldom >> or never appears. Many of these functions (SFS, directory management, >> backup, etc) depend on knowledge of CMS -- most of us on this mailing >> list survived the situations that lead up to the development of these >> various Good Things, so we have the context and the skill set to >> support them. We're entering a time when that context is missing in >> the next generation of system administrators, and we no longer have >> CMS users as the primary focus of VM.=20 >> >> I believe we need to ask the question of usability improvement for >> these functions. The skills are no longer there, and we are focusing >> VM on serving a community that wants to develop them about as much as >> they want to learn JCL. Telling someone to RTFM -- well, they'd have >> to find the right FM first.=20 >> >> Perhaps I'm worrying about the "system after next" again. I think >> it's a question that we need to start to think about, though.=20 >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ --------------------------------------------------------
