As far as the physical connection goes, I would suggest using the OSA-ICC feature. It offers a built-in TN3270 server that TN3270 emulators can connect to via the company network (with appropriate security in place, of course), but to the host o/s, they appear as locally attached 3270 sessions. And it works even if the VM TCP/IP stack has some problem.....

I would also create a new VM user id(s) for the actual operators, with the same privilege classes as OPERAOTR. It makes auditing who did what when a bit simpler.

Have a good one.

Kris Buelens wrote:
One can always use the integrated 3270 console on  the HMC, then one has a
"real 3270"

2008/10/7 Scott Rohling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm not sure I would rely on telnet -- the operator's should have a 'real'
console to be able to shutdown/IPL in case of a network or TCPIP failure..

Scott Rohling


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Good questions Steve. At this point we are not sure what role operations
will play. I guess they need to be able to shut down just in case and to
IPL. We don't have any experience and are just trying to think ahead. I'm
sure it will change 2 weeks after the Linux guest are in use.

Sounds like a PC with a telnet session to either OPERATOR or some other ID
is the way to go. At least for the pilot we don't plan on using PROP as has
been suggested.

Bobby Bauer
Center for Information Technology
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, MD 20892-5628
301-594-7474



-----Original Message-----
From: Gentry, Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:33 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: VM operator console?

I would recommend not using the HMC as an operator console. There is a
VM userid called OPERATOR, which is usually logged on when VM IPL's.
What are you wanting your operators to do? I would not use OPERATOR as a
console, per say. I would set up a separate userid for the operators.
I'd leave OPERATOR in a disconnect mode. I guess the question is, what
do you want the operators to do on VM? Or what do you think they need to
be doing?
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:20 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: VM operator console?

We are an MVS shop setting up a Linux under VM pilot and need to have
some procedures in place for operations. We are trying to figure out
how/where we want the operators to have console access. Right now only
the sys. progs. have any access to VM and we use a telnet session from
our desks to a VM user id or use the HMC. Is there a master console we
can setup for operations like MVS? Should we setup a userid for the
operators? Make them use the HMC?
Is there another alternative I've not mentioned and don't know about?

Thanks

Bobby Bauer
Center for Information Technology
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, MD 20892-5628
301-594-7474





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