I've seen this before. The user was logged on to the terminal, or at least CP thought he still was logged on. Somebody may have turned it off, it may have broken, something that made the terminal go away, but CP hadn't realized it yet. Then, the midnight message. CP tries to write the message to the terminal, gets the error and says "Well if I can't use it neither can you" and force disconnects the user. User hangs a CP READ (SET RUN ON usually prevents this) and 15 minutes later, userid says Adios. Thing is, the user (in this case being a DOS/VSE guy) should have been hung up with the CP READ sitting out there. Guess it wasn't real busy because someone would have noticed before it got killed. Had someone noticed, logging on and issuing a B most likely would have kept things going.
Bob Bates Enterprise Hosting Services w. (469)892-6660 c. (214) 907-5071 "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:49 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM AHA! If you were connected at the time, the attempt by CP to write the midnight message would probably have been the trigger. Is there a message on the OPERATOR stating that your machine was FORCE disconnected 15 minutes before it was forced off? Regards, Richard Schuh > -----Original Message----- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:42 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM > > Could be...I remember getting the BSOD on my XP system > yesterday...just don't remember if I had the console at the tome. > > Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. > Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE > American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 > 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. Fax: (254)741-5777 > Waco, Texas 76710 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Schmiedge > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:33 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM > > Frank, > > The message you posted says that AILTEST was disconnected from graf > 6F07, so this guest must have been logged on at that terminal. Any > problems with that terminal? > > What was running in partition J1 that kept going into a wait state? > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers > <framaek...@ailife.com> wrote: > > CONSOLE is disconnected (it's never used, except for an > emergency and > > to > > REIPL.) > > > > Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. > > Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & > RHCE American > > Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 > Wooded Acres Dr. > > Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76710 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > > On Behalf Of fjpohlen-maill...@gmx.de > > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:02 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM > > > > Frank, > > > > the SET RUN ON doesn't hold the system when it enters the > CP READ state. > > > > You can set it dynamically by SEND CP vse-userid SET RUN ON. This > > options cannot be queried by Q RUN. You must enter Q SET. > > output of Q SET > > > > MSG ON , WNG ON , EMSG ON , ACNT OFF, *RUN ON * LINEDIT ON > , TIMER OFF > > , ISAM OFF, ECMODE ON ASSIST OFF , PAGEX OFF, AUTOPOLL OFF > IMSG ON , > > SMSG OFF , AFFINITY NONE , NOTRAN OFF VMSAVE OFF, 370E OFF STBYPASS > > OFF , STMULTI OFF 00/000 MIH OFF , VMCONIO OFF , CPCONIO > OFF , SVCACCL > > OFF , CONCEAL OFF MACHINE ESA, SVC76 CP, NOPDATA OFF, IOASSIST OFF > > > > Do you run your VSE disconnected or logged on? I normally > use dialed > > devices for the vse consoles. Thus it's easy to get the > console at any > > vm enabled terminal, even if you are connected over a VPN. > > > > kind regards > > Franz Josef Pohlen > > > > > > Frank M. Ramaekers schrieb: > >> > >> Exactly what are the reasons (if there is more than one) that will > >> cause CP for FORCE a user off? (If more than one, it would > be nice to > >> have at least a reason code for the FORCE.) > >> > >> Will "SET RUN ON" prevent a FORCE? Why don't I see a "QUERY RUN" > >> command? Is there no way to tell if "SET RUN ON" was set? > >> > >> Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. > >> > >> > >> > >> Systems Programmer > >> > >> > >> > >> MCP, MCP+I, MCSE & RHCE > >> > >> American Income Life Insurance Co. > >> > >> > >> > >> Phone: (254)761-6649 > >> > >> 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. > >> > >> > >> > >> Fax: (254)741-5777 > >> > >> Waco, Texas 76701 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >> > >> *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System > >> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > > > >> *On Behalf Of *Wakser, David > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:20 AM > >> *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > >> *Subject:* Re: FORCED BY SYSTEM > >> > >> Frank: > >> > >> Probably because it was actually logged onto a terminal > and had a CP > >> READ (or a VM READ). Those are what the system forces off. > >> > >> David Wakser > >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >> > >> *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System > >> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > > > >> *On Behalf Of *Frank M. Ramaekers > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:13 AM > >> *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > >> *Subject:* FORCED BY SYSTEM > >> > >> I'm at a loss as to why our TEST (luckily) z/VSE system > got FORCED. > >> As > > > >> far as I can tell it was active up until midnight: > >> > >> J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:30 01/11/10 > >> > >> J1 0050 OC001I PARTITION IN WAIT STATE FOR 000005 SECONDS 23:59:31 > >> 01/11/10 > >> > >> J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:36 01/11/10 > >> > >> J1 0050 OC001I PARTITION IN WAIT STATE FOR 000005 SECONDS 23:59:37 > >> 01/11/10 > >> > >> J1 0050 OC002I PARTITION NOW ACTIVE AGAIN 23:59:42 01/11/10 > >> > >> J1 0050 OC001I PARTITION IN WAIT STATE FOR 000005 SECONDS 23:59:42 > >> 01/11/10 > >> > >> (rest of console could have been lost because of buffering) > >> > >> But at midnight... > >> > >> 10/01/12 00:00:00 : 00:00:00 GRAF 6F07 DISCONNECT AILTEST > USERS = 35 > >> FORCED BY SYSTEM > >> > >> Then 15 minutes later... > >> > >> 10/01/12 00:15:00 : 00:15:00 USER DSC LOGOFF AS AILTEST USERS = 34 > >> FORCED BY SYSTEM > >> > >> Was this because the virtual machine's console was (originally) > >> connected to a real terminal? > >> > >> Frank M. 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