this might be bad, I dont know, but I give mine a treat from the saddle after they have stood rock solid for a good while, while I get all settled, get my feet right in the stirrups etc. if they walk I circle them back around and make them wait. wiggle around, etc then lean and give them a treat when they are being as still as can be. All mine stand like a rock and I think this is why. If I am on the trail and I dont have a treat I give them a handful of grass and they dont seem to notice a difference. I dont give Tivar anything til after a ride tho because he is a food monster. and he stands well at the block as long as his saddle is on right. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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