Oke, kalau memang omongan saya dianggap salah saya minta maaf To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life
-----Original Message----- From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:07:26 To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community<id-android@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi Android "The main problem is your "greedy" opinion" Yeah.. i know that's the trigger "For me RIM is not greedy, as you stated yourself If RIM is greedy why should they give y% to the operator ??" But my point of view is: "If RIM is not greedy why should they ask x% to the operator ??" Well, i've said my argue about what i've been talk about. I respect others people think/opinion/choosen... whatever it is. And i'mt not trying to create public opinion or judgment here. But my main problem is: "Hmm, inilah kalau org ngga paham asal ngomong. " as you stated yourself No matter if my argue is true/false, good/bad or agree/not etc. Your answer of my quote proved that i know what i'm talking about. Salam On Sep 16, 2:55 pm, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: > The main problem is your "greedy" opinion > For me RIM is not greedy, as you stated yourself > > "Current choices: > 1. RIM, Product: BB > Service: BB partners > Share: x% for RIM, y% for local operator" > > If RIM is greedy why should they give y% to the operator ?? > > Moreover > "And yeah.. even they (Google, Apple, FB. Twitter) not charge their > service to customer.. monthly. > They can maintain their server with "daun".. keep inovating and getting > bigger and bigger" > > Those name have another source of income, e.g Google from advertising, Apple > by selling their product (which have premium price IMO) and share from > purchase in Appstore. Now what about RIM ??? Is charging user for using the > services they provide is greedy when they don't have another income sources > ??? > > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> > > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:50:57 > To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community<id-android@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com > Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > Android > > Well, > > Quote: > ".. I need the pushmail services which for me BIS is more reliable > than other platform I used right now (that's including Android & iOS). > " > I trust Google Apps (for mail, map, doc etc) for speed, compatibility > and reliability. > Having all that gadget, BB, Android and iOS.. well good for you. > > "my work is 75% on the road and we all know how good the network > quality here" > I think i'm not as mobile as you are. > No need to argue about local network quality > > "is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services > ask > you for your money each months?? > > They don't ask for your money for sure. But in order to use it on > mobile u pay the provider for mobile internet. > Then what's the different with BIS ??? " > > I thought you have answered your question by your self. Here's my > quote on previous email: (see point 1) > > "Current choices: > 1. RIM, Product: BB > Service: BB partners > Share: x% for RIM, y% for local operator > 2. Apple, Product: iDevice.. and Computer > Service: Any operator that can provide internet > Share: 100% local operator.. > 3. Google, Product: Android phones... and Computer. > Service: Any operator that can provide internet > Share: 100% local operator.. " > > Can you see the difference?? > Google + Apple + (FB + Twitter) doesn't get any x% of share of > customer money. > > And yeah.. even they (Google, Apple, FB. Twitter) not charge their > service to customer.. monthly. > They can maintain their server with "daun".. keep inovating and > getting bigger and bigger > > On Sep 16, 1:25 pm, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: > > Here's my opinion > > > So my question: > > With RIM ~4jt device and service cost per month.. > > is it "real internet services" you reach?? Browsing quality and > > 100kBps download speed, maybe? > > > I don't use 4M Blackberry, and I need the pushmail services which for me > > BIS is more reliable than other platform I used right now (that's including > > Android & iOS). > > As for browsing & DL speed, I seldom need 100kBps on mobile (my work is 75% > > on the road and we all know how good the network quality here). If I want > > to browse or get big files I will do that at the comfort of my office or > > home connection > > > Conclusion: > > is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services ask > > you for your money each months?? > > > They don't ask for your money for sure. But in order to use it on mobile u > > pay the provider for mobile internet. Then what's the different with BIS ??? > > > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> > > > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com > > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:25:21 > > To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community<id-android@googlegroups.com> > > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > > Android > > > well well > > > Gw bukan asal ngomong > > Berikut jawaban gw. > > > Gw setuju ada service ada cost. > > refer ke dua paramater diatas, maka pertanyaan nya adlah : > > 1. service2 apa saja yg diberikan? > > 2. berapa cost total/per-tiap service tersebut? > > 3. kepada siapa harga tersebut ditagihkan? > > > ok let me answer: > > RIM > > 1. bbm, push mail, vpn?? talk about internet, talk about public > > network.. not private network > > 2. ~80k - 100k > > 3. User.. can't bbm via free wifi, right? if doesn't subscribe to rim > > service (whatt???) > > > Google/Apple > > 1. Maps, Push mail, Chat service (with VOICE & VIDEO.. ohh yeahh), 3rd > > AWESOME apps & developer, tethering > > ohh satu lagi.. awesome devices, ecosystem and community > > 2. ~35k - 100k (carrier) > > 3. free to User.. as long as Connected to internet, you can do almost > > anything free on wifi.. yeahh anything with free > > > Current choices: > > 1. RIM, Product: BB > > Service: BB partners > > Share: x% for rim, y% for local operator > > 2. Apple, Product: iDevice.. and Computer > > Service: Wifi and/or Any operator that can provide internet > > Share: 100% local operator.. > > 3. Google, Product: Android phones... and Computer. > > Service: Any operator that can provide internet > > Share: 100% local operator.. > > > So my question: > > With RIM ~4jt device and service cost per month.. > > is it "real internet services" you reach?? Browsing quality and > > 100kBps download speed, maybe? > > > Conclusion: > > is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services ask > > you for your money each months?? > > > Well, itu jawaban gw. > > > Salam > > > On Sep 16, 9:08 am, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: > > > Hmm, inilah kalau org ngga paham asal ngomong. > > > RIM kan ada jaringan sendiri buat layanan pushmail sama BBM. Apa ga boleh > > > charge ke pengguna ? > > > Lantas maintenancenya bayar pake daun ? > > > Lagian service bulanan yg paling mahal 100rb buat pushmail, bbm dan > > > browsing via apn blackberry sepuasnya mah menurut saya reasonable > > > Toh langganan paket unlimited GSM buat ngempanin robot ijo juga sekitar > > > segitu tarifnya > > > Trus greedy dimananya coba ? > > > > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "A.W. Wicak" <gadtorade...@gmail.com> > > > > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com > > > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:21:53 > > > To: <id-android@googlegroups.com> > > > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > > > Android > > > > Greedy? > > > > Mungkin ga ngerasain benefit dr RIM yah waktu jaringan internet kita > > > putus tapi cuman blackberry doang yg masih bisa konek (cmiiw) > > > > Yang namanya layanan pasti ada harganya, klo skrg bbm disini > > > tersendat2, salahin operatornya yg masih hobi perang tarif ;) > > > > On 9/15/11, ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Nope.. open source bukan berarti siapa aja bebas pake semaunya.. > > > > Ada license dan term agreement nya jg. > > > > > BBM?? > > > > Nothing special about that. > > > > > Klo pun ada bbm di port ke android, jihhh ga bakal gw mau kasih duit > > > > sepeser pun duit gw ke RIM yg greedy itu cuman buat texting. > > > > > On Sep 15, 2:16 pm, Rizki Pratama <rizky.prat...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Mau jalanin google app kan nggak musti bilang google. Siapa juga boleh. > > > >> Google kan open source. The Lagian dalvik virtual machine juga bukan > > > >> punya > > > >> google. 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