Wew.. Salut buat argumen kedua nya.. Bener2 bisa buka pikiran gw, meski rada mikir buat nerjemahinnya, hehe... Intinya kembali kepada kebutuhan individu, ada yg ngerasa "rugi" bayar cepek utk fitur yg terbatas, ada juga yg ngerasa beruntung bgt cuma bayar cepek bisa menjalin relasi bisnis yg luas. Begitu pula sebaliknya..
So kita nikmati saja teknologi ini dengan segala perkembangan nya. Regards On Sep 16, 2011 3:27 PM, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: > Makanya, paging si ArMad bilang tanah belakang rumah gratis pasang BTS SMART > Ha..ha..ha..ha..ha > > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darma Suyoga <darma78.milisandr...@gmail.com> > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:25:36 > To: <id-android@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi Android > > Huakkkk google translate gw macettttt brohhh tulungggggg > > *zinggggg kaburrrrr* > > @darma78 > hTc supersonic > On Sep 16, 2011 4:10 PM, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: >> Oke, kalau memang omongan saya dianggap salah saya minta maaf >> >> To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> >> Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com >> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:07:26 >> To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community<id-android@googlegroups.com > >> Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > Android >> >> "The main problem is your "greedy" opinion" >> Yeah.. i know that's the trigger >> >> "For me RIM is not greedy, as you stated yourself >> If RIM is greedy why should they give y% to the operator ??" >> >> But my point of view is: >> "If RIM is not greedy why should they ask x% to the operator ??" >> >> Well, i've said my argue about what i've been talk about. >> I respect others people think/opinion/choosen... whatever it is. >> And i'mt not trying to create public opinion or judgment here. >> >> >> But my main problem is: >> "Hmm, inilah kalau org ngga paham asal ngomong. " as you stated >> yourself >> >> No matter if my argue is true/false, good/bad or agree/not etc. >> Your answer of my quote proved that i know what i'm talking about. >> >> Salam >> On Sep 16, 2:55 pm, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: >>> The main problem is your "greedy" opinion >>> For me RIM is not greedy, as you stated yourself >>> >>> "Current choices: >>> 1. RIM, Product: BB >>> Service: BB partners >>> Share: x% for RIM, y% for local operator" >>> >>> If RIM is greedy why should they give y% to the operator ?? >>> >>> Moreover >>> "And yeah.. even they (Google, Apple, FB. Twitter) not charge their >>> service to customer.. monthly. >>> They can maintain their server with "daun".. keep inovating and getting > bigger and bigger" >>> >>> Those name have another source of income, e.g Google from advertising, > Apple by selling their product (which have premium price IMO) and share from > purchase in Appstore. Now what about RIM ??? Is charging user for using the > services they provide is greedy when they don't have another income sources > ??? >>> >>> To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> >>> >>> Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:50:57 >>> To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community< id-android@googlegroups.com >> >>> Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > Android >>> >>> Well, >>> >>> Quote: >>> ".. I need the pushmail services which for me BIS is more reliable >>> than other platform I used right now (that's including Android & iOS). >>> " >>> I trust Google Apps (for mail, map, doc etc) for speed, compatibility >>> and reliability. >>> Having all that gadget, BB, Android and iOS.. well good for you. >>> >>> "my work is 75% on the road and we all know how good the network >>> quality here" >>> I think i'm not as mobile as you are. >>> No need to argue about local network quality >>> >>> "is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services >>> ask >>> you for your money each months?? >>> >>> They don't ask for your money for sure. But in order to use it on >>> mobile u pay the provider for mobile internet. >>> Then what's the different with BIS ??? " >>> >>> I thought you have answered your question by your self. Here's my >>> quote on previous email: (see point 1) >>> >>> "Current choices: >>> 1. RIM, Product: BB >>> Service: BB partners >>> Share: x% for RIM, y% for local operator >>> 2. Apple, Product: iDevice.. and Computer >>> Service: Any operator that can provide internet >>> Share: 100% local operator.. >>> 3. Google, Product: Android phones... and Computer. >>> Service: Any operator that can provide internet >>> Share: 100% local operator.. " >>> >>> Can you see the difference?? >>> Google + Apple + (FB + Twitter) doesn't get any x% of share of >>> customer money. >>> >>> And yeah.. even they (Google, Apple, FB. Twitter) not charge their >>> service to customer.. monthly. >>> They can maintain their server with "daun".. keep inovating and >>> getting bigger and bigger >>> >>> On Sep 16, 1:25 pm, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: >>> > Here's my opinion >>> >>> > So my question: >>> > With RIM ~4jt device and service cost per month.. >>> > is it "real internet services" you reach?? Browsing quality and >>> > 100kBps download speed, maybe? >>> >>> > I don't use 4M Blackberry, and I need the pushmail services which for > me BIS is more reliable than other platform I used right now (that's > including Android & iOS). >>> > As for browsing & DL speed, I seldom need 100kBps on mobile (my work is > 75% on the road and we all know how good the network quality here). If I > want to browse or get big files I will do that at the comfort of my office > or home connection >>> >>> > Conclusion: >>> > is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services ask >>> > you for your money each months?? >>> >>> > They don't ask for your money for sure. But in order to use it on > mobile u pay the provider for mobile internet. Then what's the different > with BIS ??? >>> >>> > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of life >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> >>> >>> > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:25:21 >>> > To: [id-android] Indonesian Android Community< > id-android@googlegroups.com> >>> > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> > Subject: [id-android] Re: WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan Aplikasi > Android >>> >>> > well well >>> >>> > Gw bukan asal ngomong >>> > Berikut jawaban gw. >>> >>> > Gw setuju ada service ada cost. >>> > refer ke dua paramater diatas, maka pertanyaan nya adlah : >>> > 1. service2 apa saja yg diberikan? >>> > 2. berapa cost total/per-tiap service tersebut? >>> > 3. kepada siapa harga tersebut ditagihkan? >>> >>> > ok let me answer: >>> > RIM >>> > 1. bbm, push mail, vpn?? talk about internet, talk about public >>> > network.. not private network >>> > 2. ~80k - 100k >>> > 3. User.. can't bbm via free wifi, right? if doesn't subscribe to rim >>> > service (whatt???) >>> >>> > Google/Apple >>> > 1. Maps, Push mail, Chat service (with VOICE & VIDEO.. ohh yeahh), 3rd >>> > AWESOME apps & developer, tethering >>> > ohh satu lagi.. awesome devices, ecosystem and community >>> > 2. ~35k - 100k (carrier) >>> > 3. free to User.. as long as Connected to internet, you can do almost >>> > anything free on wifi.. yeahh anything with free >>> >>> > Current choices: >>> > 1. RIM, Product: BB >>> > Service: BB partners >>> > Share: x% for rim, y% for local operator >>> > 2. Apple, Product: iDevice.. and Computer >>> > Service: Wifi and/or Any operator that can provide internet >>> > Share: 100% local operator.. >>> > 3. Google, Product: Android phones... and Computer. >>> > Service: Any operator that can provide internet >>> > Share: 100% local operator.. >>> >>> > So my question: >>> > With RIM ~4jt device and service cost per month.. >>> > is it "real internet services" you reach?? Browsing quality and >>> > 100kBps download speed, maybe? >>> >>> > Conclusion: >>> > is Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter with their awesome services ask >>> > you for your money each months?? >>> >>> > Well, itu jawaban gw. >>> >>> > Salam >>> >>> > On Sep 16, 9:08 am, "Andi - leo5354" <leo5...@se-ven.net> wrote: >>> > > Hmm, inilah kalau org ngga paham asal ngomong. >>> > > RIM kan ada jaringan sendiri buat layanan pushmail sama BBM. Apa ga > boleh charge ke pengguna ? >>> > > Lantas maintenancenya bayar pake daun ? >>> > > Lagian service bulanan yg paling mahal 100rb buat pushmail, bbm dan > browsing via apn blackberry sepuasnya mah menurut saya reasonable >>> > > Toh langganan paket unlimited GSM buat ngempanin robot ijo juga > sekitar segitu tarifnya >>> > > Trus greedy dimananya coba ? >>> >>> > > To work, to sweat & to struggle is the enjoyment & achievement of > life >>> >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: "A.W. Wicak" <gadtorade...@gmail.com> >>> >>> > > Sender: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> > > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:21:53 >>> > > To: <id-android@googlegroups.com> >>> > > Reply-To: id-android@googlegroups.com >>> > > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: BlackBerry OS QNX Bisa Jalankan > Aplikasi Android >>> >>> > > Greedy? >>> >>> > > Mungkin ga ngerasain benefit dr RIM yah waktu jaringan internet kita >>> > > putus tapi cuman blackberry doang yg masih bisa konek (cmiiw) >>> >>> > > Yang namanya layanan pasti ada harganya, klo skrg bbm disini >>> > > tersendat2, salahin operatornya yg masih hobi perang tarif ;) >>> >>> > > On 9/15/11, ayell <aryell.cae...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > > Nope.. open source bukan berarti siapa aja bebas pake semaunya.. >>> > > > Ada license dan term agreement nya jg. >>> >>> > > > BBM?? >>> > > > Nothing special about that. >>> >>> > > > Klo pun ada bbm di port ke android, jihhh ga bakal gw mau kasih > duit >>> > > > sepeser pun duit gw ke RIM yg greedy itu cuman buat texting. >>> >>> > > > On Sep 15, 2:16 pm, Rizki Pratama <rizky.prat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > >> Mau jalanin google app kan nggak musti bilang google. Siapa juga > boleh. >>> > > >> Google kan open source. The Lagian dalvik virtual machine juga > bukan punya >>> > > >> google. 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