its getting really tiresome. "of course.Adoption of FOSS is a good policy. I am curious about the selction of the distro, and the framework created for its maintenance and improvement. Making a seperate distro/Custom Linux/DVD remaster is absolutely OK, if it the resource demand can be afforded and well managed.
Some problems are:isolation of the new entity from its parent distro. The parent distro attained fast maturity because of wide community support. The core of new entity (of the new distro/DVD remaster ) is not updated at the speed of its parent, making it substandard. When it is declared as a new entity and isolate it from its parent forum, it loses the support from the forum too. When you ask a question to the debian forum saying 'i am using i...@school and i would be pleased to get some comments or the following problem", you get less number of answers. For international users dont know i...@school. And they wont be very much intersted when they really come to know the interests behind declaring as a more or less 'new entity'. I mean taking advantage of it, for election and other group glorification purposes. In other words, the govt could have adopted a distro which is internationally developed, as such, and just add to its specific demands (language,specific apps etc). It could have been totally isolated only when there is considerable change in policies. the official docs on efforts from Govt side (Kerala)can be seen at: " in the entire above paragraph you are commenting on the government's decision without having any substantial info regarding the actual variables that were used in making such a decision. simply put this is what i meant by you are shooting in the dark. if you want make such a statement first get your facts, file an RTI, get the answers from concerned authorities on what basis they are going ahead with custom solution and then come back here for a debate, rather than chasing the smoke. further why shouldn't government use a custom os for their purpose. maybe you have given some generic reasons, but that doesn't fly. to give you an example who said government is going ahead with expensive dedicated pc based solution for governance, they could have gone for thin client based solutions as well, where only one good server and and array of barebone pcs are sufficient for the task. can you imagine how a full fledged desktop based distro solution fit into this situation. further it is nothing new that organizations deploy their own custom linux solution for their purposes, that are radically different from the mainstream you are so fond of. an example is is the version of linux deployed in google servers, kernel of which is radically different from the mainstream linux kernel tree. oracle too has such a solution. now dont get started on the lines that govt lack the ability to do so. we do have talented pool of unemployed youth in kerala, maybe this might be an opportunity for them. lets not be cynical. 'i am using i...@school and i would be pleased to get some comments or the following problem" here its the problem of the way of asking the question. rather than saying i...@school linux its better to say debian sarge(i may be wrong about actual version of debian used) based distro and one might get proper answers. its important to ask intelligent questions to get intelligent answers. "Fact (5) of first post: 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and associated systems does not have enough professisonal functionality** because of comparitively low-perfoming professional softwares in FOSS arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main context of thread] " simply put its not fact its just a statement made by you without any source of reference. further a person who actually trained well in FOSS based solution is most likely to be better skilled in adapting solutions that are dissimilar to one he is experineced, converse is true for proprietary solutions as well. "where is Microsoft word ?" syndrome i mentioned earlier thread becomes valid over here. Bipin On May 18, 9:09 pm, nishandh M <pro.n...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM, bipin kumar <bipin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into > > mention? > > Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know > > instances > > where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still > > there, > > and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like > > installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are > > supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy > > counts." > > > yes it is wrong because as per your initial statement the government > > was going in for custom GNU/Linux distro for adminstrative purposes. > > this means running day to day governance activities. Now you can't get > > simpler explanation for that. > > @Bipin: That is a contextual fact, i gave in the first sentance. There are > other statements too. Being presented at first doesnt mean it is the essence > of the post. Should have been better if you attempted on the question.. > > hence for the aforesaid purpose a custom > > > linux solution is a good choice > > simply put, it just have to run those > > > governance apps > > @Bipin: taken as a comment on (1) > of course.Adoption of FOSS is a good policy. I am curious about the selction > of the distro, and the framework created for its maintenance and > improvement. > Making a seperate distro/Custom Linux/DVD remaster is absolutely OK, if it > the resource demand can be afforded and well managed. > > Some problems are:isolation of the new entity from its parent distro. The > parent distro attained fast maturity because of wide community support. The > core of new entity (of the new distro/DVD remaster ) is not updated at the > speed of its parent, making it substandard. > > When it is declared as a new entity and isolate it from its parent forum, it > loses the support from the forum too. When you ask a question to the debian > forum saying 'i am using �...@school and i would be pleased to get some > comments or the following problem", you get less number of answers. For > international users dont know i...@school. And they wont be very much > intersted when they really come to know the interests behind declaring as a > more or less 'new entity'. I mean taking advantage of it, for election and > other group glorification purposes. > > In other words, the govt could have adopted a distro which is > internationally developed, as such, and just add to its specific demands > (language,specific apps etc). It could have been totally isolated only when > there is considerable change in policies. > > the official docs on efforts from Govt side (Kerala)can be seen > at:http://www.itmission.kerala.gov.in/index.php?searchword=FOSS&ordering... > > . > > > and not your favourite video editing apps. > > @Bipin: Fact (5) of first post: 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and > associated systems does not have enough professisonal functionality** > because of comparitively low-perfoming professional softwares in FOSS > arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main context of thread] > > I get my favorite video apps running better when the above is taken into > consideration.buhhhuhhahha. > I get stability and office productivity when FOSS in governance sector is > improved.buhuhhahha > > @evrybody: > Is there any need, to prevent parasites (like me) feeding on the > contributors effort? (NO/YES) > If there is an need, how do we accomplish it: > Share the specific distro only among those who sign a contribute-alike > licence? > > What could be the terms of contribute-alike license? > a) send us money (hai hai dollar!) > b) make ten installations or get sued for braeking the contribute-alike > license > mitha-vaadhi version: brother, make some installation as far as you can, > and do some support you can, at your free time. > c) Time-bank (spend some hours in any way good for the socety. any > progressive way, not only IT service) > d) this would make people reluctant to adopt the specific distro. > e)People would adopt the distro, as most of them are wiling to contribute to > the society. > f)there is no phenomenon/process like 'parasitisation on GPL product' in our > FOSS dictionary, its just your sick brain man! > d)Distro development team would be much more pleased, as ther is direct > evidence of social change, and never has a feeling that they are feeding > permanent 'free lunch eaters'. > d) Shit-man, this is all already understood, there is no need of > formalisation/consolidation. Formalisation is bad, even if you > have time for it. > > now to the> latter part of the statement. regarding r&d majority of these > > institutes operates as autonomous bodies i.e central government do not > > interfere in day to day activities. all that central govt can do is > > set the guideline is such way that ICT deployment in such institutions > > provide lowest possible TCO(total cost of ownership) > > A comment on autocratic nature of institutes? does the TCO justify? atleast > in long term? > > What I said was: govt "support" ,and not govt "control" > > > > > "Majority of the reaserch are human, but we have a lot of instances > > where > > there are investments for totaly illogical research [for example > > those > > involving field release of GMO food] > > > Do you say that all resaerch in India is in good motive? I can give > > you a > > number of instances in State/Central academic and research institutes. > > Shud > > I stop commenting on research institutes, for the reason that you are > > in a > > reserach field? Thanks and admirable that you are maintaining an > > above > > normal moral value. " > > > this forum is not place to discuss the merits and demerits of r&d > > going on in our country. we can debate over it in another place some > > other time. > > welcome .you are right. > > > > > On May 18, 6:27 am, nishandh M <pro.n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, bipin kumar <bipin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "> 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in > > > > > educational > > > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user > > > > > choose' > > > > > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have > > > > > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements. " > > > > > its quite obvious from the above post that by organization i am > > > > referring to the govt of kerala hence rest of the following statement > > > > in quotes don't require further explanation > > > > > > "I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :( > > > > since I had stressed upon about fsug priorities, i thought its fsug. > > > > and pls > > > > gimme a clause in it which was not also applicable to fsug! " > > > > > > "yup. now i would put defense reserach, and research > > laboratories.Holy > > > > cows.I > > > > have seen MACs in IISC. we read about the budget in news papers.(am > > > > supportng ur view" > > > > > really now its quite obvious that you want hear that only really like > > > > to hear and see what you like to see. > > > > This is not what i like to see. Its a hard fact.Doesnt PC offer the > > similiar > > > performance at similiar cost? I dont think many reasearch softwares are > > > there specific to MAC platform. Ther are a lot of media based, which are > > > highly ranked among professionals. > > > > > this post began with your statement that the govt of Kerala has opted > > > > of custom GNU/Liinux for their administrative purposes & educational > > > > system(i.e the public education system which mainly involves the > > > > schools) > > > > > now where does defense research and other R&D comes in this context, > > > > will you please explain. > > > > Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into mention? > > > Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know > > instances > > > where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still > > there, > > > and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like > > > installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are > > > supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy > > counts. > > > > > now regarding use of macs and other expensive > > > > stuff IISc or other R&D institutes, one of which i happen to work, > > > > have you any idea regarding the computational need in an R&D lab. just > > > > to give an example three dimensional reconstruction of protein > > > > structure in my institute is done using an SGI workstation because no > > > > other platform cuts it. > > > > Please release the spec? No FOSS platform cuts it?It would be worth to > > see > > > some discussion on it. > > > > > you want us wait for the day when such > > > > technology becomes available in other affordable platforms? > > > > This is a good question, which i am not sure is directed to me or into > > the > > > dark space you called? > > > You are making a comment about the current capabilities of Linux. > > > > > i merely state that hardware/software solutions for an enterprise are > > > > made on a case to case basis as per the organizations needs and > > > > financial priorities, and not on a idealogical basis. > > > > FOSS is an ideology based initiative,in which 'open' is the most > > outstanding > > > innovation.Not "free" as in "Free Lunch" > > > And FOSS working out, and approved as POC. It should be considered where > > > ever possible, when making decisions. > > > > > you cannot thrust your favourite distro as it is into the throats of > > > > an organization. > > > > Man did i say so?can you state any one distro which i pushed? > > > We have n number of distros, of which we have top ranked ones. I would > > like > > > development concentarted in one or more selected distors, That it matures > > > fast, and can be released to the population(I too benefit from it) I > > asked > > > which ones would be the better ones. > > > > > However open source > > ... > > read more » -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. 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