What I would like to see is the shared calendaring working on a per domain basis. This would be a great thing to sell as an isp. Also has anyone looked at the price of the licensing that Microsoft want if you are hosting on server 2003 ?
Regards Terence Blyth Computer Technologies Ltd Phone 64 3 545 9001 Fax 64 3 545 9002 WARNING: The contents of this e-mail may contain information that is legally privileged and/or confidential to the named recipient. This information is not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. The views expressed in this document do not necessarily reflect those of Computer Technologies Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 4:17 a.m. To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. And you'd be a rich man, too, if the market embraced that pricing. However, value is a major portion of the buying decision. Many of us have been paying SA for years for a virtually dormant product. I remember a time when we were begging for 'some' Spam features and were told it would never happen. So, now, they want us to fund the R&D effort to make the product competitive, but before the product is at the level of value to support such a significant increase. 15-20% of the license price is a relatively common yard stick, and that extrapolates into a $6K-$8K street price of Unlimited. Nope. "That dog won't hunt." It really is too bad that Ipswitch is going to shoot themselves in the foot again. You would think they would have learned something from the ICS blunder. Getting a customer is hard, but getting one to come back is almost impossible . . . Thursday, November 10, 2005, 1:44:01 PM, John T (Lists) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> First, I have no affiliation with Ipswitch what so ever. I am a JTL> small one person business and in fact I only have about 350 JTL> e-mail addresses that my Imail server process e-mail for, so I am JTL> small potatoes compared to most of you. I do have the JTL> Professional SA and will go towards the unlimited as I hope one JTL> day when I have the time to increase the number of e-mail JTL> addressed processed on my server to a thousand or so. JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> In spite of others opinions, I do agree that the pricing for a JTL> unlimited SA should be higher, as figure what you get out of it. JTL> Here is what I think the levels should be and the associated SA JTL> pricing for Imail standalone: (note difference in levels after a comment by Kevin) JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> 100 User $75 JTL> JTL> 500 user $150 JTL> JTL> 1000 user $400 JTL> JTL> 5000 user $750 JTL> JTL> Unlimited user $1200 JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> I also think there should be a clustering option for the 5000 JTL> user and unlimited user levels, whereby you pay say 50% for the JTL> second (3rd 4th 5th whatever) license but one SA covers all the JTL> servers in the cluster. (There would need to be some way of JTL> making the activation and use of the additional licenses JTL> dependent on the first one. If SA was renewed, all would accept updates, upgrades.) JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> John T JTL> JTL> eServices For You JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> -----Original Message----- JTL> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JTL> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matrosity Hosting JTL> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:16 AM JTL> To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com JTL> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> That would pretty much clinch Imail server as being JTL> extortionware in my book. There's simply no reason in my mind JTL> that we should be pay another 50% increase for an SA two years in JTL> a row. I think I'll look into investing in Smartertools as JTL> they're about to get another big boost in revenue. JTL> JTL> John T (Lists) wrote: JTL> JTL> To be honest, Kevin did mention what the prices would be close to, however I JTL> was in my car driving home after being at a client for 6 hours and I was JTL> tired and hungry, so I do not remember what numbers he said, but I will say JTL> that either the 1000 user SA or unlimited user SA will have a MSRP of about JTL> $995. JTL> JTL> John T JTL> eServices For You JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> -----Original Message----- JTL> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- JTL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown JTL> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:10 AM JTL> To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com JTL> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. JTL> JTL> Decisions are best based upon facts as opposed speculation. JTL> JTL> Why the mystery about the new cost of SA? Why can't IPSwitch be JTL> upfront, rather than sell the idea of buying an SA at the prevailing JTL> cost? JTL> JTL> JTL> Wednesday, November 9, 2005, 6:35:28 PM, John T (Lists) JTL> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JTL>> Responding to several posts and further information. What I am going JTL> JTL> JTL> to post JTL> JTL> JTL>> is my thoughts/opinions/knowledge based on what I have read, those I JTL> JTL> JTL> have JTL> JTL> JTL>> talked to now and in the past, reading between the lines, and my gut JTL>> feelings. And believe me, my gut is way too big. JTL> JTL>> First of all, we all know and understand that Ipswitch really took a JTL> JTL> JTL> turn JTL> JTL> JTL>> for the worse around 3rd quarter of 2004. (It may have even been a JTL> JTL> JTL> little JTL> JTL> JTL>> earlier.) Just prior to that our beloved John Korsak left to pursue JTL> JTL> JTL> other JTL> JTL> JTL>> interests. With that, a new management team was in place at Ipswitch. JTL> JTL> JTL> Part JTL> JTL> JTL>> of the management was Jill Jones. My conversations with her at the JTL> JTL> JTL> time of JTL> JTL> JTL>> ICS introduction left me with a bad taste, albeit one I was able to JTL> JTL> JTL> accept JTL> JTL> JTL>> under my circumstances. That new management team basically turned a JTL> JTL> JTL> deaf JTL> JTL> JTL> ear JTL>> to the needs of many us, being ISPs and small to large hosting JTL> JTL> JTL> providers. JTL> JTL> JTL>> Well, it appears that Jill Jones is either no longer with Ipswitch or JTL> JTL> JTL> has JTL> JTL> JTL>> been reassigned to a lesser role and Kevin Gillis is now in charge or JTL> JTL> JTL> major JTL> JTL> JTL>> part of Product Management. I am not sure what his exact title is. JTL> JTL>> The gist of this is that Ipswitch decided in the second half of 2004 JTL> JTL> JTL> that JTL> JTL> JTL>> they wanted to pursue a different cliental, underestimating the value JTL> JTL> JTL> of JTL> JTL> JTL>> their current client base at that time. In doing so, they alienated JTL> JTL> JTL> many of JTL> JTL> JTL>> us, and lost a lot of business which was not recovered in their new JTL> JTL> JTL> focus JTL> JTL> JTL>> like they thought it would. Now they have a new/revamped management JTL> JTL> JTL> team JTL> JTL> JTL> in JTL>> place and have realized the harm that was done and are making JTL> JTL> JTL> progress JTL> JTL> JTL>> towards resolving that. Are they going to win back everyone who left, JTL> JTL> JTL> no. JTL> JTL> JTL>> Are they going to please everyone, no. But they are trying, and they JTL> JTL> JTL> are JTL> JTL> JTL>> listening. JTL> JTL>> It appears that they are now going to offer Imail in 3 forms: JTL> JTL> JTL> Standalone, JTL> JTL> JTL>> Secure server, and a complete Suite. Each will be offered in 5 levels JTL> JTL> JTL> based JTL> JTL> JTL>> on users: 25, 100, 250, 1000 and unlimited. Personally, I would have JTL> JTL> JTL> like to JTL> JTL> JTL>> seen 100, 250, 1000, 5000 and unlimited. Although I do not know what JTL> JTL> JTL> exactly JTL> JTL> JTL>> the new prices will be for standalone, from what Kevin told me on the JTL> JTL> JTL> phone JTL> JTL> JTL>> while I was driving home I for the most part accept as sensible what JTL> JTL> JTL> the JTL> JTL> JTL>> pricing will be except like I said I feel drop the 25 and add 5000. JTL> JTL>> So what does my rambling mean? JTL> JTL>> If you have Imail standalone with/with out a current SA I recommend JTL> JTL> JTL> the JTL> JTL> JTL>> following: JTL>> If you have under 100 users, wait for the new SA pricing. JTL>> If you have over 1000 users, purchase a Imail Professional SA now. JTL>> If you are between those amounts, you could save some money or spend JTL> JTL> JTL> a JTL> JTL> JTL>> little more money if you buy a SA right now. JTL> JTL>> It also means I will continue to use Imail and offer my JTL> JTL> JTL> support/assistance JTL> JTL> JTL>> to others when I can, continue to offer Imail support services to JTL> JTL> JTL> clients JTL> JTL> JTL>> and once again offer Imail as a possible solution for clients. JTL> JTL>> John T JTL>> eServices For You JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL>> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html JTL>> List Archive: JTL>> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ JTL>> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> ---- JTL> Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. JTL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net JTL> (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 JTL> ---- JTL> JTL> JTL> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html JTL> List Archive: JTL> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ JTL> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html JTL> List Archive: JTL> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ JTL> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> JTL> ---- Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. 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