On 10:18 AM 05/30/2000 +0200, it would appear that Len Conrad wrote:

>>This is exactly what I meant when I asked my question "Do they advertise 
>>'unlimited access?'" as they are obviously not offering unlimited access.
>
>I think the hook phrase "unlimited access" is generally intended to mean, 
>and generally taken as meaning, 24/24 Internet access with nobody counting 
>or capping the hours on-line.
>
>It's only we backstage ISP nerdz, and a whole lot of 'em haven't gotten 
>the restricted SMTP sending idea figured out yet, who can even conceive of 
>the terms of "all protocols to all servers all day". Gotta nail that down 
>in your routers and the ToS.
>
>Your ToS probably limits running dial-up-side server protocols on dial-up 
>lines, as it does with interet/cable provider, so why not limit sending 
>mail to exclusively through your mail servers?  As the big boyz have seen, 
>it's in everybody's interest, not the least their own, to do this.

Actually, most ToS that I've seen state unlimited and 
unfiltered.  Unlimited does indeed often apply to dial-up time but 
unfiltered does not and blocking 25 would tend to make that claim a 
lie.  Another caveat is that none of the ISP's mentioned so far in this 
discussion publicly state in ToS or otherwise that they are blocking port 
25 or that they are providing anything other than a completely open 
connection.  If they're going to block the port, great, it's their right as 
the owner to do so but they should continue to hide the fact.

Tyran Ormond
LAN Technician/Programmer
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