Hi Kevin
Keep an eye on Dell's refurbished servers. Most of the time the prices
really suck compared to new ones, but watch at the end of quarter and end of
year. Call a rep and talk to them instead of just looking at inventory on
their site. A few months ago I called and got a Poweredge 4400 Xeon600, 4
18G Drives, 128M on Dual channel RAID card, 1G of RAM, 4 Intel NICs and 3
Hot Swap power supplies for $2600. We've only got about 20 domains with
about 4000 accounts. Needless to say Imail is quite happy on this box.
This one was NOT in their inventory on the site.
Good Luck
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "NetQuick Mail Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> If I may offer a comment. Properly done you can depreciate an asset (i.e.
a
> server devalued to $0 as a business expense) for tax purposes. Then
> refurbish it and deduct the cost (parts & labor) as a business expense.
You
> now have another asset that you can depreciate all over again. I failed
> accounting, but I'm learning a little from the Life School of Business
now.
> While this will not get you a new Dell Power Edge server it will get you
one
> that is good enough to serve as a mail gateway or virus box to reduce the
> over all work load on your actual mail server. It's a nickel and dime
> solution, but then who can afford a new Dell Power edge server?
>
> Kevin Childers
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew P. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
>
>
> > >>
> > You have to accept that not everyone is affluent enough to dedicate an
> > entire machine solely to email,
> > >>
> >
> > I have TWO machines devoted to mail. And I'm a cheap b@st@rd. I have an
> smtp
> > server running IMGATE. Software was free the box was an old pentium with
> 64
> > megs of RAM. Cost FREE. Oh I had to buy a new nic card. So the SMTP mail
> > server cost me $60 buck. My IMAIL machine is a pentium 300 with 128 megs
> of
> > RAM and two 10 gigs IDE drive using Promise raid cards. Total cost $800.
> >
> >
> > I would much rather have a bunch of clones running that one EXPENSIVE
> compaq
> > or dell.
> >
> > Andrew P. Kaplan, CNE, MCSE+Internet, MCT, CCNA, CCDA
> > CyberShore, Inc. -- Premium Internet Services -- http://www.cshore.com
> >
> >
> > Since we cannot know all that there is to be known about anything, we
> > ought to know a little about everything.
> > -- Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MIke Mckay
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:57 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > > You have to accept that not everyone is affluent enough to dedicate an
> > > entire machine solely to email, working on this model and taking
service
> > > redundancy, data redundancy and back-ups into account, to do basic
> hosting
> > > with ( email, www, DNS & SQL ) you would need 8 servers, 8 raid cards,
> 16
> > > scsi drives buckets of ram and several tape drives not to mention the
> > > licensing if microsoft is the OS of choice.
> > >
> > > So many people will be running multiple services duplicated over
> > > fewer boxes
> > > especially if in a co-located enviroment which may charge by the
server
> or
> > > by the "U" of rack space, and although imail may be austensively
> > > a ram based
> > > product the applications it is co-existing with may not, and not
paying
> > > attention to things such as the swap file will mean the time between
> > > complete rebuilds or image redeployment reduces significantly,
increases
> > > manpower costs and service downtime.
> > >
> > > And if a server has to be taken down because SQL has fragmented the
> drives
> > > to a point where it seriously affects performance and the machine
> > > has to be
> > > taken offline then wouldn't affect Imail if due to financial
> restrictions
> > > they were both on that server ?
> > >
> > > I think it is slightly unfair to condescend in such a fashion towards
> > > Daniel, for people on a budget I feel it is a valid and purposefull
> thread
> > > that will under the aforementioned circumstances aid the reliability
of
> an
> > > Imail system.
> > >
> > > Mike A.B.S.O
> > >
> > > (lutely no letters after my name, wot a dunce)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Len Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > > Can you explain this swap file business? A mail server shouldn�t be
> > > > swapping at all or extremely little.
> > > >
> > > > What has ipswitch found in increasing the hardly used swap file to
3X
> > > > memory size makes Imail work better?
> > > >
> > > > Len
> > > >
> > > > http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training
> > > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K
> > > > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse
> > > mail gateways
> > > >
> > > >
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