Thanks I will, but at present we are Ok with the hardware we have the
real point of it all is that you can still get quite a lot of use out of
older machines if you single purpose them. Old systems always seem to
accumulate around the shop. Customers who drop off a machine and never
return or want an upgrade beyond the level of economic feasibility, cheaper
to build a new machine. These oldies but goodies can still serve a useful
purpose and have a decent life expectancy within any organization.
If I might put in a plug for charity, if any one has an old system they
don't want or need, please look around your community for those kind souls
who refurbish such machines for free and distribute them to the less
financially blessed members of society. Some of these are registered
charities and such donations are tax deductible not to mention the general
benefits to the community. From a general business point of view, the tax
deduction is always welcome. For the ISPs and computer shops, everyone with
a computer is looking to get on line and upgrade so their may be some
addition revenue generation from this as well.
Kevin Childers
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Setzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> Hi Kevin
>
> Keep an eye on Dell's refurbished servers. Most of the time the prices
> really suck compared to new ones, but watch at the end of quarter and end
of
> year. Call a rep and talk to them instead of just looking at inventory on
> their site. A few months ago I called and got a Poweredge 4400 Xeon600, 4
> 18G Drives, 128M on Dual channel RAID card, 1G of RAM, 4 Intel NICs and 3
> Hot Swap power supplies for $2600. We've only got about 20 domains with
> about 4000 accounts. Needless to say Imail is quite happy on this box.
>
> This one was NOT in their inventory on the site.
>
> Good Luck
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NetQuick Mail Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
>
>
> > If I may offer a comment. Properly done you can depreciate an asset
(i.e.
> a
> > server devalued to $0 as a business expense) for tax purposes. Then
> > refurbish it and deduct the cost (parts & labor) as a business expense.
> You
> > now have another asset that you can depreciate all over again. I failed
> > accounting, but I'm learning a little from the Life School of Business
> now.
> > While this will not get you a new Dell Power Edge server it will get you
> one
> > that is good enough to serve as a mail gateway or virus box to reduce
the
> > over all work load on your actual mail server. It's a nickel and dime
> > solution, but then who can afford a new Dell Power edge server?
> >
> > Kevin Childers
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew P. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> >
> >
> > > >>
> > > You have to accept that not everyone is affluent enough to dedicate an
> > > entire machine solely to email,
> > > >>
> > >
> > > I have TWO machines devoted to mail. And I'm a cheap b@st@rd. I have
an
> > smtp
> > > server running IMGATE. Software was free the box was an old pentium
with
> > 64
> > > megs of RAM. Cost FREE. Oh I had to buy a new nic card. So the SMTP
mail
> > > server cost me $60 buck. My IMAIL machine is a pentium 300 with 128
megs
> > of
> > > RAM and two 10 gigs IDE drive using Promise raid cards. Total cost
$800.
> > >
> > >
> > > I would much rather have a bunch of clones running that one EXPENSIVE
> > compaq
> > > or dell.
> > >
> > > Andrew P. Kaplan, CNE, MCSE+Internet, MCT, CCNA, CCDA
> > > CyberShore, Inc. -- Premium Internet Services -- http://www.cshore.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Since we cannot know all that there is to be known about anything, we
> > > ought to know a little about everything.
> > > -- Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MIke Mckay
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:57 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You have to accept that not everyone is affluent enough to dedicate
an
> > > > entire machine solely to email, working on this model and taking
> service
> > > > redundancy, data redundancy and back-ups into account, to do basic
> > hosting
> > > > with ( email, www, DNS & SQL ) you would need 8 servers, 8 raid
cards,
> > 16
> > > > scsi drives buckets of ram and several tape drives not to mention
the
> > > > licensing if microsoft is the OS of choice.
> > > >
> > > > So many people will be running multiple services duplicated over
> > > > fewer boxes
> > > > especially if in a co-located enviroment which may charge by the
> server
> > or
> > > > by the "U" of rack space, and although imail may be austensively
> > > > a ram based
> > > > product the applications it is co-existing with may not, and not
> paying
> > > > attention to things such as the swap file will mean the time
between
> > > > complete rebuilds or image redeployment reduces significantly,
> increases
> > > > manpower costs and service downtime.
> > > >
> > > > And if a server has to be taken down because SQL has fragmented the
> > drives
> > > > to a point where it seriously affects performance and the machine
> > > > has to be
> > > > taken offline then wouldn't affect Imail if due to financial
> > restrictions
> > > > they were both on that server ?
> > > >
> > > > I think it is slightly unfair to condescend in such a fashion
towards
> > > > Daniel, for people on a budget I feel it is a valid and purposefull
> > thread
> > > > that will under the aforementioned circumstances aid the reliability
> of
> > an
> > > > Imail system.
> > > >
> > > > Mike A.B.S.O
> > > >
> > > > (lutely no letters after my name, wot a dunce)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Len Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] webservice crashes can't upgrade
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you explain this swap file business? A mail server shouldn�t
be
> > > > > swapping at all or extremely little.
> > > > >
> > > > > What has ipswitch found in increasing the hardly used swap file to
> 3X
> > > > > memory size makes Imail work better?
> > > > >
> > > > > Len
> > > > >
> > > > > http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training
> > > > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K
> > > > > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse
> > > > mail gateways
> > > > >
> > > > >
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