Not at all. I just think that Len is starting to make things personal (ie. your IP is badly located and your DNS sucks) and if he wants to continue doing that, I can certainly play that game, too.
I was trying to advise Len to stop accusing others of having inferior providers, configurations, knowledge and capabilities. We are all here to learn from one another and to improve the overall operation of our mail servers. I think this discussion has caused a lot of emotions to surface and I'm guilty of it too. I would propose that we step back and remove the emotions from our posts and discuss the problem. =========================== Now, back to the situation we have been discussing. It seems to me that the crux of the problem is AOL attempting to change to defacto standard by requiring specific rDNS entries and refusing to accept mail from a segment of the market that have rDNS entries composed of certain elements, namely "DSL". 1. This frustrates the people getting closed off because the problem cannot be solved by them. Most SPAM issues we discuss here can be solved and/or implemented by the mail server admin. In this case, the mail server admin must convince someone else (the ISP) to do something. Not always an easy task! 2. This goes against what most of us believe as "presumed innocent until proven guilty". Many innocent mail admins are being caught in this "filter" and are feeling falsely accused of a hideous crime.:) AOL doesn't seem to care about this false positive effect of their filtering. 3. AOL is so large that many people believe they must know best. When a small hosting company can't get email to AOL, then the small company must not know what they are doing. This potentially impacts revenue streams which are the lifeblood of any company. Worse yet, those users might move service to AOL which adds insult to injury. 4. AOL is so large that it now has the power to unilaterally dictate internet policy. AOL doesn't have to change the RFC, it just has to implement the policy and "spin" it correctly to succeed. Make no mistake that AOLs goal is to put us out of business and absorb the customer base. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Leske Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: AOL's got nerve I think I'm missing mail here? Was this a personal post to Todd via Len that got put to the list? ~Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Holt > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:42 AM - FamHost > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: AOL's got nerve > > > Len wrote: > >Just because you consider yourself such an inhabitant of an ideal > world, > >although your IP is badly located and your DNS sucks, doesn't mean > >everybody has to. If everybody doesn't want your mail, it's your > problem, > >not theirs. > > If you want to make this personal we can. But be careful what you wish > for. If you want to make this about personal responsibility and > personal freedom, we can go there...but those who live in glass houses > shouldn't through stones. > > Todd Holt > Xidix Technologies, Inc > Las Vegas, NV USA > www.xidix.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ Virus Scanned and Filtered by http://www.FamHost.com E-Mail System. To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
