>Over the last 6 years, I've "taught" as much as anybody here.
Of this, I have no doubt.  I have learned much from you as well.  And
for that I thank you.  You have me thinking about setting up an IMGate
server.  So please don't think that I am trying to question your
knowledge.

>put on some thicker skin, and don't find what's not there.
Ok. I will.

>It's happily much broader than that, yea!, it's for reverse zones whose
IPs 
>are dynamically assigned.  dial-up, cable, dsl.
What about the many T-1s that have an rDNS entry containing "DSL".  And
does the rDNS containing "DSL" in and of itself constitute a dynamic dsl
circuit?  There is such a thing as SDSL which actually works quite well.

>There's a war on.  Don't stand where the bombs are falling.
I'm not standing where the bombs are falling.  This problem is not
affecting me (currently).  My concern is what happens next.  Enough
erosion causes the cliff to fall!  Will I be swept up in the next policy
decision that becomes the standard?

>>2. This goes against what most of us believe as "presumed innocent
until
>>proven guilty".

>yep.  Dynamic networks are guilty, IPs without PTR are guilty, for AOL
(and 
>all of us) of massive mail abuse.
What about the innocent admins that have static IPs, but are classified
with dynamic IPs?  Do you also agree with DSBLs listing entire class C
block when a few IPs in the block are spammers?

>Their filter is probably 99.99% accurate, in the volumes of abuse mail 
>blocked vs legit mail blocked.  Just like every MX admin who does
blocking, 
>they prefer efficiency of the broad block, and then deal with
acceptably 
>tiney false positives.  They've "had it up to here" with abuse from
dynamic 
>nets and with ISPs and access providers who won't shut down spammers on

>their networks.  They also know that number of legit mailservers in
dynamic 
>net blocks are a  minuscule source of legit mail.  They also know that 
>those mailservers can relay their outbound through the IP provider's 
>gateway, like all other dynamic users do.
Probably?  Does anyone at AOL have a scientific estimate of the accuracy
of this "filter"? 

>AOL knows best for themselves.  People can believe anything they want.
And you honestly don't think that AOL will "spin" this?  Len, there is a
new thing that came out about three centuries ago, call politics!! :)

>>When a small hosting company can't get email to AOL, then the small
>>company
>>must not know what they are doing.

>Whoa, where did AOL, or anybody, say that?
That was my quip at the result of the AOL spin.  The press is a powerful
thing.

>relay your outbound through your ISP, and move on.
I don't need to. I'm not impacted by this.

>It's more probable they are groaning from, and spending many $Millions
on, 
>mail abuse.   And they know that tons of it comes from certain classes
of 
>networks.
You don't think they want the extra customer base?  You think the board
meetings include the words "we have enough customers"?

Todd

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