> > So, you can't install AV on the server to protect it?
>
> > Or any type of firewall to prevent hacking?
>
> I  would  say no to both of these

In that case, total sold would be zero. Any enterprise application exposed
for web services must run some type of A/V software and if it cannot do any
of it's own firewall blocking (to prevent that included POP3/SMTP service
from being hacked) at least needs to be behind another firewall.

> Says who?

EULA says "applications", not server services are banned.  A firewall to
protect the machine only is different from acting as a firewall to machines
behind it.  Same as server email A/V is different from protecting real-time
the server's files themselves. (If you don't believe so, check out why these
cost so much more).

> Have you talked to someone at MS agreed with this (since
> they don't even ship a JVM anymore after the settlement with Sun)?

That's really not relevant -- if it is a "web application", it is allowed
(even if not available from MS). Says so right in the EULA.  Interesting
grey areas could be things like ftp. It is an included service, right? Most
(MS) end users use IE to access it (and don't understand the difference
between an FTP and HTTP download) -- but, is it a "web app" if it uses the
internet, but is not a "web page".  What about pages that don't use port 80?
What about CGI programs that interact w/ web pages (and most would simply
assume any such pgms are fine)?  What about other data store? seem to be ok,
so long as not more than 25 concurrent users are allowed? What if the CGI is
configured to only use one "user", no matter how many connections are made
to it (I know one db that does this)?

>
> > It  CANNOT be installed on the web server ed. (or would be mentioned
> > explicitly).
>
> As  I said before, it isn't mentioned because it's part of the product
> (a  "Windows  component,"  not  an  application that bears any sort of
> warning).

IT above refers to exchange. I doubt it ships w/ windows web server 2003.

> > and POP3 (but must store the mail data elsewhere).
>
> Doesn't make sense. MS POP3 stores its data locally and is designed to
> do so.

Yes, there is that.  But, that presumes you don't mind using it's weaker
functions or a 25-user MSDE app as the data store -- not a very big
enterprise solution.  But, useable for many smaller apps.

But, as you have said (and I agreed), Exchange could not be run on the same
server, it would have to be on a separate server.  Generally, a non-MS
solution (a full blown mail server application) that offers the same
function they tend to see as requiring the same additional licensing (or, go
by the rule of thumb -- whatever would cost the most is the correct answer
in any question you have about MS licensing).

Karen

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