Thanks for the advice.  I put my thinking cap on and came up with a solution
that will work for me (I think).  It's complicated, but it should solve the
problem.

I use an external company (dnsmadeeasy.com) for my DNS.  Why?  Because they
offer DNS based fail-over that I can't do myself for anywhere near the dirt
cheap rate that they charge.  I have two circuits into each server and use a
Astrocomm PowerLink for outbound load balancing and fail-over, but had no
way to do inbound fail-over.  The folks at dnsmadeeasy.com allow me to put
multiple IP addresses per "A" record so that if the primary circuit is down
they will stop resolving to it and switch to the secondary circuit (takes
one minute).

So here's what I had before:

example.com.    MX      10 mail.example.com.
example.com            MX          20 backup.example.com

mail        A    (primary circuit IP, and then secondary circuit IP for
fail-over)
backup   A    (primary circuit IP, and then secondary circuit IP for
fail-over)

Here's what I've done.  I renamed the "backup" machine as "mail".  Now I
have two machines that reply with the same SMTP name.  I changed the DNS as
follows:

example.com. MX 10 mail.example.com.

mail        A    (primary circuit IP, and then secondary circuit IP, then
previous backup machine primary circuit IP, previous backup secondary
circuit IP)

What does this do?  I'm in technical violation by only having one MX record
per domain, but in reality there are four routes to two different servers
for that one MX record so I really do have backup.  It will be impossible to
get to the old backup machine via DNS unless the primary machine is
completely down (doesn't answer on both primary and secondary IP's).  Once
this happens the DNS will automatically resolve to the old backup machine's
IP and it will answer with the correct mail server name "mail.example.com".

The only way that they can get to the backup spooler is if they do a port
scan and see port 25 open on it.  They can't get it via DNS if things are
working properly on the main mail machine.

Complicated yes, but I think it will force 100% of the traffic thru my IMail
box unless it's down.

Whew..

-Joe


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Griffith - IMail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Any solution for this?


I had this same issue and Sandy recommended buying the Vamsoft's ORF
(http://www.vamsoft.com/orf/) to stop the bad addresses from making it past
the SMTP envelope.  It is only $99 and works very well.  We don't get hit
with as many as you are, but it at least stops them from being delivered to
the secondary server.  They are bounced back as it undeliverable.  I
currently see where this week only 4% of the messages being sent to the
backup MS are being accepted.  Therefore it cuts allot of the junk.

I wish it had a weighting system like Declude does, but it is a fail one
test and bounce situation.  I am OK with this right now as our main mail
server is very rarely down.  I am hopeful that if our main mail server does
go down all the messages will be accepted as good messages.

Sincerely,
Grant Griffith
EI8HT LEGS Enhanced Web Management
http://www.getafreewebsite.com
877-483-3393

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Wolf
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Any solution for this?


My main IMail server is very secure and I have no problems with it.  I use
the SMTP feature of IIS6 on a different server as my "store and forward"
mail server in the event my IMail box is down.  This is where the problem
is!

All the spammers run their dictionary attacks on my secondary "store and
forward" server.  This server accepts all mail as long as it's to a valid
domain.  So this means that the server will accept ALL of those messages
from a dictionary attack as if it were running a nobody alias.  It's not an
open relay.

The store and forward server then tries to deliver those messages to my main
IMail box, and this is where IMail weeds out all the invalid messages.

My store and forward server is getting hit with about 500 messages a minute.
Only about 2% of those messages are valid.  The bandwidth this uses really
pisses me off.

Are the spammers intentionally looking for lower priority MX records?

Is there any way to eliminate this problem (maybe I've overlooked something
in the setup)?

Any suggestions would be appreciated... I'm sure others have this same
problem!

Thanks,
Joe


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