Wow, good piece of info Bill, thanks! If I knew for sure that I would be
continuing with Imail, I would probably implement Declude very soon. I may
do it anyway if Scott is confident that Declude can be adapted to work with
whatever other email server we may decide to migrate to.

NIX is not even out of the question at this time. At least with that we
could cut many of our ongoing costs significantly and maybe continue in this
market. With Microsoft changing all the time and the cost of keeping their
OS up to date, and now this, I am having some serious concerns about our
whole business structure as it is today. 

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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] A Quick Note from the Ipswitch Executive Team

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> >> It's also possible that spammers will also create a new SPF of their
own
> >> until they are caught them create another. However, unless I really
don't
> >> understand the dynamics of it all, at least SPF has the promise of
> >> getting
> >> this spam issue under control a whole lot faster
> >
> >
> > SPF is not anti-spam, it's anti-sender forgery
> >
> > Let me know when I can say:  "no SPF records? then reject"
> >
>
> never, SPF is broken as far as I am concerned
>
> it breaks forwards and it breaks some backup mx type stuff as well, you
> have to tweak your MTA to get around it at the current time

True, SRS/SES or something like it needs to be implemented at the forwarding
site in order to not block legitimately forwarded messages.  However, if you
are not blocking outright via SPF, and are instead using it as part of a
weighting system like Declude JunkMail and SpamAssassin do, then you can
reduce the effect of false positive SPF forwarding failures by using the
trustedforwarder DNSWL & RHSWL at http://www.trusted-forwarder.org in either
Declude JunkMail or SpamAssassin.

Since most here use Declude JunkMail, here are the rule entries to support
these two trustedforwarder whitelists:

TRUSTEDFORWARDER-DYNA ip4r wl.trusted-forwarder.org  127.0.0.2 -5 0
TRUSTEDFORWARDER-RHSBL rhsbl wl.trusted-forwarder.org  127.0.0.2 -5 0

If someone here is using SpamAssassin and would like the trustedforwarder
rulesets for SA, let me know.

Bill


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