Thanks Viplav ji and Santhosh ji for adding more clarifications to this query.
Hoping we get to know how the epithet fits in case of *Ipomoea mauritiana*whose origin / nativity is obscure (ref: Flora of China <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?311648>) ... note in Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipomoea_mauritiana> says: Its origins are uncertain, but it has been recorded in West Africa, including in Gambia and the riparian forests of Benin. Regards. Dinesh On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Dr Santhosh Kumar <[email protected] > wrote: > Supporting to Dr Pankaj on the issue of specific epithet. Some times,it > make no sense, as in the case of Thunbergia frangrans (it doesnt has > fragrant flowers). Mauritiana also one of such mistakes!! > > > On 29 April 2013 13:04, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Mr Viplav >> Thanks for sharing the article. >> Just because a plant is not originally from a place on which the name >> is described, as in this case, Z. mauritiana not being originally from >> Mauritius, doesnt make the species epithet incorrect according to >> ICBN, now called as ICN. Yes the only thing incorrect is the >> interpretation that it is indigenous to Mauritius. Same thing goes to >> all species named as indica or chinensis doesnt mean that it is >> indigenous to India or China. The species epithet just means that the >> plant was described from Mauritius or India or China. >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:29 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Have attached a relevant paper by the French botanist Louis Bouton >> (1799 - >> > 1878) who worked extensively in Mauritius. It was published in William >> > Jackson Hooker's Journal of Botany, vol. I, in 1834. In his concluding >> > remarks on the last page, he inferred that the name mauritiana is >> incorrect >> > because no plant of the genus Ziziphus is indigenous to Mauritius. >> > >> > Best wishes, Viplav >> > >> > El 25 de abril de 2013 18:29, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> > escribió: >> >> >> >> WOW Pankaj. Excellent search. Thank you very very much. Thus epithet of >> >> Ziziphus mauritiana is very well confirmed to be based on Mauritius. >> >> A check on epithet of Ipomoea mauritiana to have some relation to >> >> Mauritius would be fantastic. Please help at your leisure. >> >> Regards. >> >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius >> >>> Please check this. It mentions that "In 1598 a Dutch squadron under >> >>> AdmiralWybrand Van Warwyck landed at Grand Port and named the island >> >>> Mauritius, in honour of Prince Maurice van Nassau,stadhouder of the >> >>> Dutch Republic. Later the island became a French colony and was >> >>> renamed Isle de France." >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Many many thanks dear Pankaj! >> >>> > At least mention of "isle" of France. >> >>> > While Mauritius is, Mauritania is not. >> >>> > >> >>> > I hope we have similar clarification for Ipomoea mauritiana. >> >>> > You may dig only during leisure. >> >>> > >> >>> > Regards. >> >>> > Dinesh >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >> [email protected]> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> It actually doesnt state anything from where it went to Lamarck. >> >>> >> Interestingly the first sentence says, Isle of France.... I imagine >> >>> >> which >> >>> >> Island it point towards!!! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Dinesh Valke < >> [email protected]> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Dear Pankaj, indeed some authors described plants far from where >> the >> >>> >>> plants were found. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> The gist of my query is knowing the place(s) on which the epithet >> >>> >>> mauritiana is based. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> While I was attempting to find it on the internet, I got mixed >> >>> >>> results >> >>> >>> and got confused. >> >>> >>> Now your thoughts helped me somewhat convinced that the epithet is >> >>> >>> based >> >>> >>> on Mauritius. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Regards. >> >>> >>> Dinesh >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> >>> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Dont mind my collect please. I am trying to find the second >> >>> >>>> protologue >> >>> >>>> !!! cant find anywhere.... >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dinesh Valke >> >>> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> Thank you very much, Pankaj. >> >>> >>>>> Regards. >> >>> >>>>> Dinesh >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> Sir Lamarck didnt colelct all plants from wild. People >> colelcted >> >>> >>>>>> from >> >>> >>>>>> different parts of the world and were transfered to Paris >> during >> >>> >>>>>> French >> >>> >>>>>> rule. Same as Linnaeus who never came to India but described >> >>> >>>>>> plants from >> >>> >>>>>> India. And same as Jacquin. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Dinesh Valke >> >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Dear Pankaj, ... many thanks your thoughts; it helped me know >> >>> >>>>>>> mauritiana is based on Mauritius. >> >>> >>>>>>> "Logically Mauritania should have been changed to latin as >> >>> >>>>>>> Mauritaniana" ... is the logic true in case of Mauritius? :-) >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> What I found: >> >>> >>>>>>> This species was first described by the French biologist J. B. >> >>> >>>>>>> Lamarck, from a specimen in a botanical garden in Paris, but >> he >> >>> >>>>>>> did not >> >>> >>>>>>> state why he decided to name it after Mauritius Island. ... >> >>> >>>>>>> Wildflowers of >> >>> >>>>>>> Israel. >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana has following names: >> >>> >>>>>>> 1) Mauritanian convolvulus ... NPGS / GRIN >> >>> >>>>>>> 2) Mauritiana Morning Glory ... Plantilus ... though >> Mauritiana >> >>> >>>>>>> here >> >>> >>>>>>> is just the epithet, not name of any place in world. >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> and, >> >>> >>>>>>> mauritiana => refers to ancient Mauritania ... V I R B O G A >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> however, >> >>> >>>>>>> Type Specimens >> >>> >>>>>>> T: ; ; Cultivated in Vienna from material collected in >> >>> >>>>>>> Mauritius >> >>> >>>>>>> ... Tropicos >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks once again ... taking it as based on Mauritius. >> >>> >>>>>>> Regards. >> >>> >>>>>>> Dinesh >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Pankaj Kumar >> >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritius was under French rule during the period when this >> >>> >>>>>>>> fruit >> >>> >>>>>>>> was described by Lamarck who was also French. Hence Ziziphus >> >>> >>>>>>>> mauritiana Lam. >> >>> >>>>>>>> should be based on Mauritius. >> >>> >>>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana was described by Jacquin who again was a >> >>> >>>>>>>> French >> >>> >>>>>>>> and worked in South Africa too. I assume both name comes from >> >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritius. >> >>> >>>>>>>> Logically Mauritania should have been changed to latin as >> >>> >>>>>>>> Mauritaniana!! >> >>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:30 PM, J.M. Garg < >> [email protected]> >> >>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> By the way, this query arose on finding some of the sites >> and >> >>> >>>>>>>>> reference books relating mauritiana to Mauritius. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >>> >>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Date: 13 April 2013 11:59 >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:151926] Query :: specific epithet >> >>> >>>>>>>>> (based on >> >>> >>>>>>>>> geographical name) :: mauritiana >> >>> >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> While compiling names of Ipomoea mauritiana Jacq. and >> Ziziphus >> >>> >>>>>>>>> mauritiana Lam. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> - want to make sure that mauritiana is of or from: >> Mauritania >> >>> >>>>>>>>> (country in w Africa) AND not to be confused with Mauritius >> >>> >>>>>>>>> (island in >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Indian Ocean) >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Ipomoea mauritiana has: >> >>> >>>>>>>>> 1) one name - Mauritanian convolvulus ... NPGS / GRIN >> >>> >>>>>>>>> 2) its origins ... uncertain, but it has been recorded in >> West >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Africa, including in Gambia and the riparian forests of >> Benin >> >>> >>>>>>>>> ... Wikipedia >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Both Gambia and Benin are neighbouring countries of >> Mauritania. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> BUT when looking up for Ziziphus mauritiana, do not find it >> >>> >>>>>>>>> pertaining in any way to Mauritania (nor Mauritius). >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Can someone help me ? >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> --- >> >>> >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Google >> >>> >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >> from >> >>> >>>>>>>>> it, >> >>> >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] >> . >> >>> >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >> >>> >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>> >>>>>>>>> With regards, >> >>> >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >> >>> >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >> >>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> >>> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a >> thousand >> >>> >>>>>>>>> species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >> Plants >> >>> >>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged >> >>> >>>>>>>>> alphabetically & place-wise): >> >>> >>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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Fax: +852 2483 7194 >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> *********************************************************** >> >>> Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. >> >>> IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia >> >>> >> >>> Office: >> >>> Conservation Officer >> >>> Orchid Conservation Section >> >>> Flora Conservation Department >> >>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> >>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >>> Residence: >> >>> 151, 1st Floor, Tai Om Tsuen >> >>> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >>> >> >>> email: [email protected]; [email protected] >> >>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >> >>> (mobile). 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