Finally it may be concluded that your plant is Ixora finlaysoniana not I.polyantha
On 12 May 2013 11:28, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Sir. > My understanding is a bit different. All the points i have found about the > two species, in various literature, FoC+FoP, and other sites, i think, are > not distinctive enough to come to any conclusion, specially when the plants > under consideration are selective cultivars. > > Regards, > surajit > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks Surajit ji for a very detailed analysis with links. It should go a >> long way finally nailing the identity. My understanding of differences >> between two species under discussion is as under: >> >> I. polyantha >> I. finlaysoniana >> 1. Small shrub 1. >> Shrub or tree reaching up to 18 feet >> 2. stipules broadly ovate 2. >> Stipules triangular-ovate >> 3. Leaves 15-30 cm long 3. >> Leaves 10-17 cm long >> 4. Cymes densely covered with white hairs 4. Cymes >> puberulous, not with white hairs >> 5. Calyx hairy, tube 3-5 mm long, 5. Calyx >> glabrous, tube 1-1.5 mm long, >> lobes 6-8 mm long >> lobes 4-6 mm long. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:23 AM, radha veach <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear Surajit, >>> >>> the points I have written to you are based on my own observations of the >>> two plants in the field and later confirmed by written texts. >>> >>> In the end all we have are our own experiences which we can offer to >>> others. >>> >>> best regards >>> Radha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 May 2013 22:30, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Madam, >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for the points to be remembered about *I. polyantha >>>> * and *I. finlaysoniana*. Some confusions still exist - >>>> >>>> 1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub. >>>> >>>> - Yes, it is so in Cooke - >>>> >>>> http://ia600406.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01cook&itemPath=%2F21%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01cook&server=ia600406.us.archive.org&page=n626_w299 >>>> - Also in Talbot - >>>> >>>> http://www.archive.org/stream/TalbotTreesBombay/TalbotTreesBombayPresidency#page/n323/mode/2up >>>> - But not in Hooker - >>>> >>>> http://ia700609.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot21753000004407&itemPath=%2F0%2Fitems%2Fmobot21753000004407&server=ia700609.us.archive.org&page=n143_w291 >>>> >>>> 2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by >>>> buildings. >>>> >>>> - I do not know about habitat, so i should refrain here. However, >>>> Hooghly is a moist area and FoP informs it is cultivated in Pakistan. >>>> >>>> 3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded. >>>> >>>> - Cooke - "Flowers in corymbiform cymes open or collected into a >>>> globose head" >>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>> - Hooker - "...... or open very-many flowered branches robust..." >>>> and " ... collected into globose sessile head...." >>>> >>>> 4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense white >>>> hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud. >>>> >>>> - Cooke - ".. usually densely clothed with white hairs....." >>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>> - Hooker - " .... sometimes white with dense woolly spreading >>>> hair..." >>>> >>>> 5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often >>>> the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat >>>> leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics. >>>> >>>> - Cooke - (in *I. polyantha*) petiole 1/8 to 3/8 th in. long. That >>>> translates to about 3 mm to 9,5 mm, which is almost same as *Ixora >>>> finlaysoniana* in FoC >>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>> - Hooker - leaves sessile or short petioled >>>> - Again i refrain about wrinkly leaves, because nothing found >>>> anywhere >>>> >>>> 6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are >>>> ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. *This >>>> is a very noticeable feature.* >>>> >>>> - nothing found on red calyx lobes in Talbot and Hooker. Ripe >>>> fruits are red in Cooke >>>> >>>> Now, for winkled leaves, red calyx, please check - >>>> http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=96985. >>>> >>>> Found *Ixora finlaysoniana* - >>>> >>>> - http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id182195/?taxonid=213548 >>>> - >>>> >>>> http://ecflora.cavehill.uwi.edu/vhdetail.php?did=2438&sn=Ixora+finlaysoniana >>>> - >>>> >>>> http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do?flora=fz&taxon=54829&nameid=121493#DESCRIPTION >>>> >>>> I skipped eFI posts. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM, radhaveach <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Surajit, >>>>> >>>>> If you read the descriptions of Ixora polyantha in Cooke's Flora or in >>>>> Talbot's Forest Flora of Bombay Presidency and Sind and compare them to >>>>> the >>>>> Flora of China description of Ixora finlaysoniana you will have all the >>>>> answers. >>>>> >>>>> The obvious differences which can be seen in a photograph are as >>>>> follows: >>>>> 1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub. >>>>> 2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by >>>>> buildings. >>>>> 3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded. >>>>> 4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense white >>>>> hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud. >>>>> 5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often >>>>> the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat >>>>> leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics. >>>>> 6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are >>>>> ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. *This >>>>> is a very noticeable feature. >>>>> * >>>>> Santhosh Kumar has quite recently posted a clear photo of I polyantha >>>>> which should clear your doubts. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I remember I. polyantha is also fragrant. >>>>> >>>>> I apologise if my previous reply cause some frustration. >>>>> >>>>> Requesting experts to add their comments. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Radha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59:35 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Radha Ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Thank you very much.* But, why don't you think it is *Ixora >>>>>> polyantha* ? I have two queries - >>>>>> 1) Is *I. polyantha* fragrant? >>>>>> 2) How do you differentiate the two species? >>>>>> I searched, but - https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>>>> msg/indiantreepix/W-AS4OWhx1U/**OLriIyMe4iYJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/W-AS4OWhx1U/OLriIyMe4iYJ> >>>>>> >>>>>> Toptropical, Dave's, The Plant List conflict with each other. So does >>>>>> FoC or FoP. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Thank you once again.* >>>>>> *Regards,* >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 10 May 2013 15:05:35 UTC+5:30, radhaveach wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think this is Ixora polyantha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see this efi post: >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!searchin/** >>>>>>> indiantreepix/Rubiaceae$**20Week$3A$20Ixora$** >>>>>>> 20finlaysoniana$20Wall.$20ex$**20G.$20Don$20from$20Delhi/** >>>>>>> indiantreepix/p_O-MPwW9O8/**MnVH4bqpQigJ<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Rubiaceae$20Week$3A$20Ixora$20finlaysoniana$20Wall.$20ex$20G.$20Don$20from$20Delhi/indiantreepix/p_O-MPwW9O8/MnVH4bqpQigJ> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From this it seems that the commonly cultivated Ixora in many >>>>>>> gardens is *Ixora finlaysoniana* Wall. ex G. Don, Gen. Hist. 3: 572 >>>>>>> 1834 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> Radha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:32:14 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a tree with highly scented big flowers. It cannot be *I. >>>>>>>> parviflora* Vahl (*I. pavetta* >>>>>>>> Andr.<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242423581>), >>>>>>>> neither *I. undulata* Roxb. >>>>>>>> Photos were taken on 06-April-2013, in Hooghly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/aeWdGDgGt8I/unsubscribe?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- SANTHOSH ------------------------------------------ Dr. E.S. 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