Great! I was expecting this! Why so hurry dear Santosh Sir, to reach to a conclusion?
Don't you think all of you are contradicting yourselves? Let's see who has *Ixora polyantha* in our group. Certainly you have one, uploaded twice and validated by yourself and Radha Ji. Gurcharan Sir has one. DInesh Ji has one. And..... well, i will come to this later. Should i paste here the links? I skip for the time being. - What Radha Ji informs? Again i copy a few words i received from Radha Ji - 1) "....you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. *This is a very noticeable feature.*...." 2) "Santhosh Kumar has quite recently posted a clear photo of I polyantha which should clear your doubts" Do you think i need to get my eyes checked by a good optician/doctor. Because i fail to see any red calyx in your post(s) or in post(s) by Gurcharan Sir. - what Dinesh Ji says? Dinesh Ji's post gets validated by Radha Ji's "red calyx". Strange! i wonder how Dinesh Ji's "red calyx" turns green in Santosh Ji's and Gurucharan Ji's! Moreover, Dinesh Ji seems to know *I. polyantha* very well, yet he identifies a 15 ft tree<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/_O7EFpLoasA/Hv1JHvH6jHUJ>(or shrub, whatever it may) as *I. polyantha*!!! - what Satish Sir says? Well, i am yet to see Satish Ji's cards. - what is red calyx - white Ixora? How do i know Radha JI is correct? She contradicts herself. Besides there is an illustration - http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=96985 showing red calyx-white flowers, which is *I chinensis* Lam. Moreover, one eflora informs flowers of *I.finlaysoniana* are cream-white<http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do?flora=fz&taxon=54829&nameid=121493#DESCRIPTION>!!! Of course some creams are pure white too!!! - globose or flatter heads? What i happens if i show you flatter head with few flowers in this very tree? - tree or shrub? That's the only point you have, not strong enough. You know it far better than me that cultivated plants defy many rules. None of you could show white hairs (sometimes, not always), hairy calyx (pubescent, not hairy), stipules or other identifying characters in your uploads. Hint of white patch can be found in Dinesh Ji's post, not sure if those are white hairs or moulds, equally not sure if that is *I. polyantha* or some other. So much contradicting posts and identification!!! Very interesting, isn't it? Regards, surajit On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Dr Santhosh Kumar < [email protected]> wrote: > Finally it may be concluded that your plant is Ixora finlaysoniana not > I.polyantha > > > On 12 May 2013 11:28, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Sir. >> My understanding is a bit different. All the points i have found about >> the two species, in various literature, FoC+FoP, and other sites, i think, >> are not distinctive enough to come to any conclusion, specially when the >> plants under consideration are selective cultivars. >> >> Regards, >> surajit >> >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Surajit ji for a very detailed analysis with links. It should go >>> a long way finally nailing the identity. My understanding of differences >>> between two species under discussion is as under: >>> >>> I. polyantha >>> I. finlaysoniana >>> 1. Small shrub >>> 1. Shrub or tree reaching up to 18 feet >>> 2. stipules broadly ovate 2. >>> Stipules triangular-ovate >>> 3. Leaves 15-30 cm long 3. >>> Leaves 10-17 cm long >>> 4. Cymes densely covered with white hairs 4. Cymes >>> puberulous, not with white hairs >>> 5. Calyx hairy, tube 3-5 mm long, 5. Calyx >>> glabrous, tube 1-1.5 mm long, >>> lobes 6-8 mm long >>> lobes 4-6 mm long. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:23 AM, radha veach <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Surajit, >>>> >>>> the points I have written to you are based on my own observations of >>>> the two plants in the field and later confirmed by written texts. >>>> >>>> In the end all we have are our own experiences which we can offer to >>>> others. >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> Radha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 May 2013 22:30, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Madam, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for the points to be remembered about *I. >>>>> polyantha* and *I. finlaysoniana*. Some confusions still exist - >>>>> >>>>> 1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub. >>>>> >>>>> - Yes, it is so in Cooke - >>>>> >>>>> http://ia600406.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=floraofpresidenc01cook&itemPath=%2F21%2Fitems%2Ffloraofpresidenc01cook&server=ia600406.us.archive.org&page=n626_w299 >>>>> - Also in Talbot - >>>>> >>>>> http://www.archive.org/stream/TalbotTreesBombay/TalbotTreesBombayPresidency#page/n323/mode/2up >>>>> - But not in Hooker - >>>>> >>>>> http://ia700609.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot21753000004407&itemPath=%2F0%2Fitems%2Fmobot21753000004407&server=ia700609.us.archive.org&page=n143_w291 >>>>> >>>>> 2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by >>>>> buildings. >>>>> >>>>> - I do not know about habitat, so i should refrain here. However, >>>>> Hooghly is a moist area and FoP informs it is cultivated in Pakistan. >>>>> >>>>> 3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded. >>>>> >>>>> - Cooke - "Flowers in corymbiform cymes open or collected into a >>>>> globose head" >>>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>>> - Hooker - "...... or open very-many flowered branches robust..." >>>>> and " ... collected into globose sessile head...." >>>>> >>>>> 4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense white >>>>> hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud. >>>>> >>>>> - Cooke - ".. usually densely clothed with white hairs....." >>>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>>> - Hooker - " .... sometimes white with dense woolly spreading >>>>> hair..." >>>>> >>>>> 5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often >>>>> the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat >>>>> leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics. >>>>> >>>>> - Cooke - (in *I. polyantha*) petiole 1/8 to 3/8 th in. long. That >>>>> translates to about 3 mm to 9,5 mm, which is almost same as *Ixora >>>>> finlaysoniana* in FoC >>>>> - Talbot - nothing found >>>>> - Hooker - leaves sessile or short petioled >>>>> - Again i refrain about wrinkly leaves, because nothing found >>>>> anywhere >>>>> >>>>> 6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are >>>>> ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. *This >>>>> is a very noticeable feature.* >>>>> >>>>> - nothing found on red calyx lobes in Talbot and Hooker. Ripe >>>>> fruits are red in Cooke >>>>> >>>>> Now, for winkled leaves, red calyx, please check - >>>>> http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=96985. >>>>> >>>>> Found *Ixora finlaysoniana* - >>>>> >>>>> - http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id182195/?taxonid=213548 >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> http://ecflora.cavehill.uwi.edu/vhdetail.php?did=2438&sn=Ixora+finlaysoniana >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do?flora=fz&taxon=54829&nameid=121493#DESCRIPTION >>>>> >>>>> I skipped eFI posts. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM, radhaveach <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Surajit, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you read the descriptions of Ixora polyantha in Cooke's Flora or >>>>>> in Talbot's Forest Flora of Bombay Presidency and Sind and compare them >>>>>> to >>>>>> the Flora of China description of Ixora finlaysoniana you will have all >>>>>> the >>>>>> answers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The obvious differences which can be seen in a photograph are as >>>>>> follows: >>>>>> 1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub. >>>>>> 2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by >>>>>> buildings. >>>>>> 3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded. >>>>>> 4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense >>>>>> white hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud. >>>>>> 5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often >>>>>> the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat >>>>>> leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics. >>>>>> 6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are >>>>>> ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. >>>>>> *This is a very noticeable feature. >>>>>> * >>>>>> Santhosh Kumar has quite recently posted a clear photo of I polyantha >>>>>> which should clear your doubts. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I remember I. polyantha is also fragrant. >>>>>> >>>>>> I apologise if my previous reply cause some frustration. >>>>>> >>>>>> Requesting experts to add their comments. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> Radha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59:35 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Radha Ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Thank you very much.* But, why don't you think it is *Ixora >>>>>>> polyantha* ? I have two queries - >>>>>>> 1) Is *I. polyantha* fragrant? >>>>>>> 2) How do you differentiate the two species? >>>>>>> I searched, but - https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>>>>> msg/indiantreepix/W-AS4OWhx1U/**OLriIyMe4iYJ<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/W-AS4OWhx1U/OLriIyMe4iYJ> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Toptropical, Dave's, The Plant List conflict with each other. So >>>>>>> does FoC or FoP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Thank you once again.* >>>>>>> *Regards,* >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, 10 May 2013 15:05:35 UTC+5:30, radhaveach wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think this is Ixora polyantha. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please see this efi post: >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!searchin/** >>>>>>>> indiantreepix/Rubiaceae$**20Week$3A$20Ixora$** >>>>>>>> 20finlaysoniana$20Wall.$20ex$**20G.$20Don$20from$20Delhi/** >>>>>>>> indiantreepix/p_O-MPwW9O8/**MnVH4bqpQigJ<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Rubiaceae$20Week$3A$20Ixora$20finlaysoniana$20Wall.$20ex$20G.$20Don$20from$20Delhi/indiantreepix/p_O-MPwW9O8/MnVH4bqpQigJ> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From this it seems that the commonly cultivated Ixora in many >>>>>>>> gardens is *Ixora finlaysoniana* Wall. ex G. Don, Gen. Hist. 3: >>>>>>>> 572 1834 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> Radha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:32:14 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is a tree with highly scented big flowers. It cannot be *I. >>>>>>>>> parviflora* Vahl (*I. pavetta* >>>>>>>>> Andr.<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242423581>), >>>>>>>>> neither *I. undulata* Roxb. >>>>>>>>> Photos were taken on 06-April-2013, in Hooghly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/aeWdGDgGt8I/unsubscribe?hl=en >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > SANTHOSH > ------------------------------------------ > Dr. E.S. 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