Dear Dineshi Ji, This discussion reminds me of an argument I had in facebook. The opposition didn't know that most of the senior villagers call *Mirabilis jalapa* L. as KESHTA-KOLI (কেষ্টকলি) in Bengali. The name of this plant now prevails as SO(/A)NDHA-MALATI (সন্ধ্যামালতি/সন্ধ্যামালতী). But, in Prain and Piddington, it was KRISHNA-KELI and Voigt recorded it in Bengali Script as কৃষ্ণ কেলি.
Thank you very much. Regards On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks very much Rakesh ji, Surajit ji and Usha di. > We will get to know someday about this name (in yes or no). > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes Usha Di, I referred the sites only for Bengali names of plants (not >> validity of species id), what they usually provide, as for example, TULSI - >> >> 1. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/ocimum-sanctum.php >> 2. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/ocimum-basilicum.php >> >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes Surajit >>> i looked at that website, i am familiar with it, and them. >>> most of their pics and write up are cut and paste and not referenced... >>> they never acknowledge source or type the source url etc, so how can one >>> take it seriously. >>> >>> Back to more authentic ones... the hard evidence at hand are the >>> reference books i have access to at moments notice... no such name comes up. >>> >>> Rakesh it nice to see you here again >>> >>> Usha di >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you very much Usha Di. I anticipated that you might have worked >>>> on it! >>>> >>>> It is interesting that while Sir Prain, following Hooker, cited >>>> Roxburgh's *Baeobotrys indica* & *B. nemoralis* for *Maesa indica*, >>>> Haines, following Hooker, thought *Maesa indica* was partly synonymous >>>> with *M. montana* DC. Similarly, Voigt thought *Baeobotrys indica* is >>>> synonymous with *Maesa lanceolata*! However, latest info from FoC >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=119441> >>>> informs they are different taxa. >>>> >>>> It is furthermore interesting that even website of Bangladesh, where >>>> those trees are/were found, doesn't provide Bengali name - >>>> >>>> 1. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/maesa-indica.php >>>> 2. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/maesa-acuminata.php >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> not Jones' >>>>> its monier -williams's dictionary cited >>>>> sorry, somehow my hand must have hit the send button area on the >>>>> screen >>>>> >>>>> I aslo had searched ayurvedic books and some kabiraji books in bangla >>>>> ... no ramjani... there are many plants whose name starts with Ram- but >>>>> no >>>>> ramjani plant. or herb or medicine. >>>>> >>>>> really Ram must jano know.// god knows. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dinesh and Surajit >>>>>> I also searched in the books I have even in tribal medicine books >>>>>> including Assamese but did not find ramjani...!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit's explanation sounds closer to home truth, many Sahib >>>>>> "researcher" relied on local servants for names of local vegetation. >>>>>> Jones's dictionary is often cited by Sanskrit scholars oas one such >>>>>> widely >>>>>> used book... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Many many thanks Surajit ji for the clarification. >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:11 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not know, for neither Roxburgh nor Voigt provided any Bengali >>>>>>>> name. The name, in English script, can be found in Haines and Prain >>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A story goes : One SAHIB, in those British days, asked his orderly >>>>>>>> what is the Bengali of "Close the door?" The orderly replied, "DARJA >>>>>>>> BANDHO >>>>>>>> KARO." The SAHIB remarked, "Got it, There-was-a brown crow!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "RAM" usually denotes to anything bigger, as in RAM-TULSI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RAMJANI may also translate to "Nobody knows!" or "I do not know!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:52 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 7 September 2014 13:07 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:199076] Names of Plants in India :: >>>>>>>>> Bengali name of Maesa indica >>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Dinesh Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not sure, it may be রমজানী or রামজানি or রমজনী,.... please >>>>>>>>> check the attached entries from Piddington, Roxburgh, Prain, Voigt for >>>>>>>>> other names and related info. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sourav may help, for it is native to his place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:39 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 31 August 2014 13:04 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:199076] Names of Plants in India :: >>>>>>>>>> Bengali name of Maesa indica >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bengali-knowing friends, please help with the name "ramjani" >>>>>>>>>> of Maesa indica (Roxb.) A. 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