Thank you very much Surajit ji. I agree with your thoughts. I am not ruling out the chance of "ramjani" being wrongly recorded in first place. Hope someday this query gets resolved. Regards. Dinesh
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dineshi Ji, > > This discussion reminds me of an argument I had in facebook. The > opposition didn't know that most of the senior villagers call *Mirabilis > jalapa* L. as KESHTA-KOLI (কেষ্টকলি) in Bengali. The name of this plant > now prevails as SO(/A)NDHA-MALATI (সন্ধ্যামালতি/সন্ধ্যামালতী). But, in > Prain and Piddington, it was KRISHNA-KELI and Voigt recorded it in Bengali > Script as কৃষ্ণ কেলি. > > Thank you very much. > > Regards > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks very much Rakesh ji, Surajit ji and Usha di. >> We will get to know someday about this name (in yes or no). >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes Usha Di, I referred the sites only for Bengali names of plants (not >>> validity of species id), what they usually provide, as for example, TULSI - >>> >>> 1. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/ocimum-sanctum.php >>> 2. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/ocimum-basilicum.php >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Surajit >>>> i looked at that website, i am familiar with it, and them. >>>> most of their pics and write up are cut and paste and not referenced... >>>> they never acknowledge source or type the source url etc, so how can one >>>> take it seriously. >>>> >>>> Back to more authentic ones... the hard evidence at hand are the >>>> reference books i have access to at moments notice... no such name comes >>>> up. >>>> >>>> Rakesh it nice to see you here again >>>> >>>> Usha di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much Usha Di. I anticipated that you might have worked >>>>> on it! >>>>> >>>>> It is interesting that while Sir Prain, following Hooker, cited >>>>> Roxburgh's *Baeobotrys indica* & *B. nemoralis* for *Maesa indica*, >>>>> Haines, following Hooker, thought *Maesa indica* was partly >>>>> synonymous with *M. montana* DC. Similarly, Voigt thought *Baeobotrys >>>>> indica* is synonymous with *Maesa lanceolata*! However, latest info >>>>> from FoC >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=119441> >>>>> informs they are different taxa. >>>>> >>>>> It is furthermore interesting that even website of Bangladesh, where >>>>> those trees are/were found, doesn't provide Bengali name - >>>>> >>>>> 1. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/maesa-indica.php >>>>> 2. http://www.mpbd.info/plants/maesa-acuminata.php >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> not Jones' >>>>>> its monier -williams's dictionary cited >>>>>> sorry, somehow my hand must have hit the send button area on the >>>>>> screen >>>>>> >>>>>> I aslo had searched ayurvedic books and some kabiraji books in bangla >>>>>> ... no ramjani... there are many plants whose name starts with Ram- but >>>>>> no >>>>>> ramjani plant. or herb or medicine. >>>>>> >>>>>> really Ram must jano know.// god knows. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dinesh and Surajit >>>>>>> I also searched in the books I have even in tribal medicine books >>>>>>> including Assamese but did not find ramjani...!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surajit's explanation sounds closer to home truth, many Sahib >>>>>>> "researcher" relied on local servants for names of local vegetation. >>>>>>> Jones's dictionary is often cited by Sanskrit scholars oas one such >>>>>>> widely >>>>>>> used book... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many many thanks Surajit ji for the clarification. >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:11 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not know, for neither Roxburgh nor Voigt provided any Bengali >>>>>>>>> name. The name, in English script, can be found in Haines and Prain >>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A story goes : One SAHIB, in those British days, asked his orderly >>>>>>>>> what is the Bengali of "Close the door?" The orderly replied, "DARJA >>>>>>>>> BANDHO >>>>>>>>> KARO." The SAHIB remarked, "Got it, There-was-a brown crow!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "RAM" usually denotes to anything bigger, as in RAM-TULSI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RAMJANI may also translate to "Nobody knows!" or "I do not know!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:52 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 7 September 2014 13:07 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:199076] Names of Plants in India :: >>>>>>>>>> Bengali name of Maesa indica >>>>>>>>>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Dinesh Ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not sure, it may be রমজানী or রামজানি or রমজনী,.... please >>>>>>>>>> check the attached entries from Piddington, Roxburgh, Prain, Voigt >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> other names and related info. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sourav may help, for it is native to his place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:39 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 31 August 2014 13:04 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:199076] Names of Plants in India :: >>>>>>>>>>> Bengali name of Maesa indica >>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bengali-knowing friends, please help with the name >>>>>>>>>>> "ramjani" of Maesa indica (Roxb.) A. 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