Thanks, Rawat ji On 10 Dec 2016 10:19 am, "D.S Rawat" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is indeed an addition to the Primula species in Uttarakhand as it is > not mentioned in the checklist of Uniyal et al. 2007 [Flowering Plants of > Uttarakhand (A Checklist)]. > And it clearly represents the case of wrong identification in the past. > > It all now will result in to one another visit to the location for > collecting specimens in the next spring. > > Thank you Chadwell Ji, Prof. Richards and Garg Ji to reaching to the > conclusive ID. > > DSRawat Pantnagar > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------ > Dr D.S. Rawat > Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & > Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA > *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home> > displaying wild flora of Pantnagar > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:23 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >> It is all because you requested that we take his opinion in this matter. >> >> On 9 December 2016 at 22:21, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum >>> knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especially >>> for examples we have been uncertain about. >>> >>> *Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a >>> species, subspecies or variety has their range* >>> *extended into Indian territory or recognised only in Indian territory.* >>> >>> *As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count >>> it as such) for this plant from Munsyari means this * >>> *represents the first record of Primula boothii in Uttarakhand, as is >>> the case for **Primula gracilipes from Gori Valley.* >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> www.shpa.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* D.S Rawat <[email protected]>; Satish Phadke < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, 9 December 2016, 12:20 >>> *Subject:* Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:256995] Re: Plumbaginaceae, >>> Primulaceae & Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Primula petiolaris(?) >>> from Uttarakhand_DSR_22 >>> >>> Thanks a lot, Richards ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *JOHN RICHARDS* >>> Date: 9 December 2016 at 15:36 >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:256995] Re: Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae >>> & Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Primula petiolaris(?) from >>> Uttarakhand_DSR_22 >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear Mr Garg, >>> Many thanks for sending these images. They are of P. boothii, not P. >>> petiolaris or P. gracilipes. Both the former species have much shorter >>> flower stems. For P. boothii please note the following characters: >>> no farina >>> long slender usually reddish flower stems >>> calyx which is angled, due to each sepal being keeled (like a house roof) >>> often (not always) red colour in leaf veins etc >>> This is a forest species from Annapurna eastwards to west Bhutan. Most >>> flower in April, but there is an autumn flowering subspecies ssp. >>> autumnalis, also a stoloniferous ssp. repens. >>> >>> John Richards >>> >>> >>> On Friday, 9 December 2016, 5:46, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Richards ji, >>> May I request you to pl. help in the matter as requested by Chris >>> Chadwell ji. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> >>> Date: 6 December 2016 at 13:02 >>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:256995] Re: Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae & >>> Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Primula petiolaris(?) from >>> Uttarakhand_DSR_22 >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com >>> <[email protected]>> >>> Cc: "D.S Rawat" <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> Thanks for sending additional images. I will quote further from >>> 'Primula' which states that few species have been so misunderstood as >>> Primula petiolaris. As the earliest described species in the section it >>> was used as a dustbin during the 19th century, most petiolarids being >>> assigned to it. As the section became better understood, most of these >>> were split off but so few specimens of the type plant existed that they >>> were misinterpreted. >>> >>> Unfortunately, Wallich's type specimen was collected in the summer with >>> a few off-season flowers, so it has summer leaves with long petioles >>> untypical of the usual flowering conditions (hence the name of this >>> species, and indeed the section). Further it was not realized that flowers >>> of pink petiolarids dry blue. *Many 19th Century pressed specimens had >>> few, if any field notes - a situation which, regrettably has continued with >>> too many Indian botanists gathering scrappy, often poor pressed specimens >>> and almost no field notes (such as flower colour) to **make attempts to >>> reliable identify more difficult to name primulas (and other genera) that >>> much harder (to impossible).* >>> >>> Anyhow, according to Richards the plant photographed above Munsyari is >>> not P.petiolaris. It is a shame that the calyces photographed are not in >>> focus. They are supposed to be tightly clasps, blunter lobes. There is a >>> total absence of meal plus cup-shaped flowers, tight, crisped rosette at >>> flowering with almost stem-less flowers. It is also smaller. >>> >>> The authors of Flora of Bhutan speak of differences between forms of >>> P.petiolaris in Bhutan and those in Nepal. It may well be forms in >>> Uttarkhand are somewhat different as well, so their comments as to >>> Bhutanese and Sikkimese specimens might not apply further West? >>> >>> IF this plant is P.gracilipes then it has not been recorded from what >>> was Kumaon previously. As the differences have been so poorly understood, >>> the old records are probably somewhat meaningless and few in number. >>> >>> *As Richards thinks P.gracilipes could be considered a subspecies of >>> P.petiolaris, his opinion, should, for the present, rank the highest. It >>> would be helpful if someone could forward these images and accompanying >>> information to him, for his thoughts.* >>> >>> *In the mean time, how about calling these plants Primula petiolaris >>> sensu lato or Primula petiolaris subspecies gracilipes? Or Primula sp. >>> aff. petiolaris? This indicates the uncertainty.* >>> >>> *If group members can send in more good-quality images of petiolarids >>> (and all other primulas for that making) with close-up, in focus images of >>> flowers (upper and lower surface of petals, sepals, stalks, upper and lower >>> leaf surfaces) plus good field notes, then this will help us clarify the >>> situation.* >>> >>> *Without more images showing all the necessary characteristics of a >>> number of other collections, it is impossible to add much to the >>> uncertainty which seems to remain.* >>> >>> *So, I hope group members are inspired to get up into the mountains to >>> look for Primulas - in the case of the petiolarids, they are not found at >>> extreme altitudes or terrain, so most members should be able to undertake >>> the required treks/walks.* >>> >>> *Look forward to lots of Primula images in 2017.* >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: *D.S Rawat* <[email protected]> >>> Date: 18 November 2016 at 15:12 >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:256995] Re: Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae & >>> Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Primula petiolaris(?) from >>> Uttarakhand_DSR_22 >>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com >>> <[email protected]>> >>> Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet. com <[email protected]>, >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> Attaching more images as desired. >>> This primula was shot above Munsyari (Pithoragarh District, Kumaon, >>> Uttarakhand) at an elevation of about 2600-2700m. It was growing on a moist >>> vertical mossy slope in second fortnight of March 2013. As I understand >>> with increasing spring temperature the habitat was becoming drier. Some >>> tetramerous flowers are also visible (marked in image-2). >>> DSRawat Pantnagar >>> >>> >>> On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 2:24:32 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >>> >>> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji, for looking at all posts in this genera in >>> efi. >>> Catalogue of life >>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/4c16f03bb909a78dc595a58aacaf4294> >>> states *Primula petiolaris *Wall. to be an accepted name. >>> >>> May I request Rawat ji to pl. post other images. >>> >>> >>> On 10 November 2016 at 05:05, [email protected] m >>> <[email protected]> <[email protected] om >>> <[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I am unsure about this. Richards observes that few species have been so >>> misunderstood as Primula petiolaris Wallich. >>> >>> I see that it is no longer an accepted number in 'The Plant List'. *So >>> what has replaced it? Primula gracilipes perhaps?* >>> >>> It is still on the 'Primula World' site but the only images are of >>> cultivated plants and some of these could easily be hybrids. >>> >>> Cannot say the image shot in Uttarakhand matches the images on the above >>> site. >>> >>> According to Richards it is found in Nepal & Sikkim plus two early >>> records from Kumaon. Flowers of Himalaya says Uttaranachal to Sikkim @ >>> 2400-3600m. >>> >>> Richards says throughout Nepal sometimes growing and hybridising with >>> Primula gracilipes. >>> >>> *I am uncertain as to the differences between P.petiolaris and >>> P.gracilipes. They are closely related. Richards considers the latter >>> might well be considered a subspecies of the former! Differing in the >>> almost stemless (those in the photo do have stalks), tightly clasped >>> blunter sepal-lobes (which cannot be observed in the image) and the total >>> absence of meal - though sometimes meal is not prominent. * >>> >>> *Is there anyone who can comment with authority? And tell us the >>> correct nomenclature/taxonomic treatment?* >>> >>> *Flowers of the Himalaya say that Primula gracilipes is the most >>> frequent petiolarid Primula in Bhutan (and Sikkim). They consider >>> P,petiolaris much smaller and the two may be CONSPECIFIC i.e. being the >>> same species!* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at 9:31:07 AM UTC+1, D.S Rawat wrote: >>> >>> This Primula also shot in Munsyari area Uttarakhand resembles to *Primula >>> petiolaris* Wallich with its irregularly toothed petals. >>> Validation (or otherwise) is requested. >>> >>> Dr D.S.Rawat >>> Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. 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