Hi Dinesh ji, Is it possible that the pictures in this thread were from two different locations/populations? I am inclined to think the first two pictures as *Tribulus lanuginosus *based on the longer and glabrous styles. The other pictures may be of *T. terrestris *as the styles appear to be shorter. The general morphology of the two plants look different, too. But, I could be wrong.
Thanks, Vijayasankar On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:24 PM ushadi <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > why Gargji > it matches Vijay's classification > small flowers > very small //short style > > Regards > Ushadi > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:01 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If we go by Vijayasankar ji's images, I think differently. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sun 8 Dec, 2019, 7:15 PM Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Garg ji, I sent two original images for your perusal for showing length >>> of style compared to surrounding petals, filaments, anthers. >>> The length of style is negligible (less than 0.5mm). The flower is as >>> much as 10mm across, filament about 5 - 6 mm long. >>> I would consider this plant to be *Tribulus terrestris*. >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I was judging based on composite image at at Tribulus complex >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 17:18, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Garg ji, here is another which is not uploaded to flickr because of >>>>> very poor quality of the photo. >>>>> May be this will help in judging the length of style. I hope other >>>>> aspects (stamens, anthers) help in gauging length of style. >>>>> I think the length of style is very minimal. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apologies Garg ji, I thought I had seen fruits of this plant, but >>>>>> they were of *Pedalium murex*. I think I am working very very hard :) >>>>>> I am attaching original photo (of what we see in this post). >>>>>> Since the capacity of attachment is 8MB, I am attaching only one >>>>>> photo here. >>>>>> Please check when time permits whether the length of style is >>>>>> negligible / appreciable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:34 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> To me fruits are not visible in your images. Otherwise also,we have >>>>>>> to rely more on the key based of Style. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 10:55, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>> I went through links ... that you mentioned in your line ... "only >>>>>>>> *Tribulus >>>>>>>> terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi is >>>>>>>> reported from India, as per distribution given at the links." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It can be seen as follows: >>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ff293b28a444c6d7bf16b4bd2c710db9> >>>>>>>> * India (widespread)* >>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. bicornutus* (Fisch. & C. A. Mey.) Hadidi >>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/9fcaf4d86a3a1f97d43763dc497305a7> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *India (widespread) * >>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. rajasthanensis* (Bhandari & V. S. >>>>>>>> Sharma) F. Al-Hemaid & Jacob Thomas >>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/99136a0c9f5ce39a28b4a9e82cff4a0c> >>>>>>>> India (Rajasthan, Gujarat) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per keys and details at Tribulus complex >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>> that you suggested in earlier post in this thread, Vijayasankar ji's >>>>>>>> poster >>>>>>>> shows fruits of three species. >>>>>>>> In that, I see fruits of my posted plant is much closer to the >>>>>>>> parent species: *Tribulus terrestris* than that of *Tribulus >>>>>>>> lanuginosus* >>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:48 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, Dinesh ji. >>>>>>>>> Among all the varieties given in Catalogue of Life >>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/Tribulus+terrestris+/fossil/1/match/1>, >>>>>>>>> only *Tribulus terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) >>>>>>>>> Hadidi is reported from India, as per distribution given at the links. >>>>>>>>> So we may take this one only. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 23:36, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At GBIF, I had gone through various pages, and concluded as >>>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. ... *synonyms, sub-species, varieties* >>>>>>>>>> at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5421116> >>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. ... synonym of variety *Tribulus >>>>>>>>>> terrestris* var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi ... >>>>>>>>>> status at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5635159> >>>>>>>>>> It was too confusing for me to dig into varieties of *Tribulus >>>>>>>>>> terrestris*. >>>>>>>>>> Let me know whether you think posted plant has to be labelled >>>>>>>>>> explicitly as *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:44 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> May be *Tribulus lanuginosus* as per keys and details at Tribulus >>>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 20:48 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:335700] Tribulus terrestris :: >>>>>>>>>>> Puducherry :: 15 OCT 19 >>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Pondicherry] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49113641273%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF5pirOmx-bITzNj0GW203XB1ZM0g> >>>>>>>>>>> Puducherry near sea coast >>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: October 15, 2019 ... *Altitude range*: about 0 - 3 m (0 >>>>>>>>>>> - 10 feet) asl >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Tribulus terrestris L.] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48967519426%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE6QTCsrj1iD6MKm08MzZcsiZYCzQ> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Nerunci (Tamil: நெருஞ்சி)] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923025477%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGiEXTeEtdqslyfzWAyBJ1ciYeXJQ> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Lahan gokharu (Marathi: लहान गोखरू)] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923257373%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEgjgU_iT7gcFC5UswxFR-FKmIQCg> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sanna neggilu (Kannada: ಸಣ್ಣ ನೆಗ್ಗಿಲು)] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991447%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEq0VeczQXbvDp6qBz5V9cw-fdoQQ> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Mitha gokharu (Kachchhi: મિઠા ગોખરુ)] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991042%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNG8TowJjsKnckTFVeyYGNTPtaRL0g> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: Palleru (Telugu: పల్లేరు)] >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923255768%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEeIIX8_j8BP1FXH1OYNs49QKwjLw> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>> e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>>>>>>>> (largest >>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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