You are absolutely right with your thought, Vijayasankar ji. They are from different locations within the premises of a resort.
Referring to my first post on Nov 25, 2019: The first two photos (one of them is actually cropped version of another) belong to one location - clicked in the morning, and the rest were at another location - clicked in afternoon. Later I added 2 photos on Dec 8, 2019, one each from the earlier locations. The first one attached on Dec 8, belongs to morning location. The second attached on Dec 8 belongs to afternoon. So shall I conclude that your thoughts are as: Morning location plant ... *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. ... synonym of *Tribulus terrestris* var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi Afternoon location plant ... *Tribulus terrestris* L. Thank you very very much Vijayasankar ji, for your thoughts. Garg ji, shall I label my photos at flickr accordingly, else please guide. Regards. Dinesh On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:23 AM Vijayasankar Raman < vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dinesh ji, > Is it possible that the pictures in this thread were from two different > locations/populations? I am inclined to think the first two pictures as > *Tribulus > lanuginosus *based on the longer and glabrous styles. The other pictures > may be of *T. terrestris *as the styles appear to be shorter. The general > morphology of the two plants look different, too. But, I could be wrong. > > Thanks, > > Vijayasankar > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:24 PM ushadi <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> why Gargji >> it matches Vijay's classification >> small flowers >> very small //short style >> >> Regards >> Ushadi >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:01 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If we go by Vijayasankar ji's images, I think differently. >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Sun 8 Dec, 2019, 7:15 PM Dinesh Valke, <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Garg ji, I sent two original images for your perusal for showing length >>>> of style compared to surrounding petals, filaments, anthers. >>>> The length of style is negligible (less than 0.5mm). The flower is as >>>> much as 10mm across, filament about 5 - 6 mm long. >>>> I would consider this plant to be *Tribulus terrestris*. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was judging based on composite image at at Tribulus complex >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 17:18, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Garg ji, here is another which is not uploaded to flickr because of >>>>>> very poor quality of the photo. >>>>>> May be this will help in judging the length of style. I hope other >>>>>> aspects (stamens, anthers) help in gauging length of style. >>>>>> I think the length of style is very minimal. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies Garg ji, I thought I had seen fruits of this plant, but >>>>>>> they were of *Pedalium murex*. I think I am working very very hard >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> I am attaching original photo (of what we see in this post). >>>>>>> Since the capacity of attachment is 8MB, I am attaching only one >>>>>>> photo here. >>>>>>> Please check when time permits whether the length of style is >>>>>>> negligible / appreciable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:34 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me fruits are not visible in your images. Otherwise also,we have >>>>>>>> to rely more on the key based of Style. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 10:55, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>>> I went through links ... that you mentioned in your line ... "only >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus >>>>>>>>> terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi is >>>>>>>>> reported from India, as per distribution given at the links." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It can be seen as follows: >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ff293b28a444c6d7bf16b4bd2c710db9> >>>>>>>>> * India (widespread)* >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. bicornutus* (Fisch. & C. A. Mey.) Hadidi >>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/9fcaf4d86a3a1f97d43763dc497305a7> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *India (widespread) * >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. rajasthanensis* (Bhandari & V. S. >>>>>>>>> Sharma) F. Al-Hemaid & Jacob Thomas >>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/99136a0c9f5ce39a28b4a9e82cff4a0c> >>>>>>>>> India (Rajasthan, Gujarat) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per keys and details at Tribulus complex >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>>> that you suggested in earlier post in this thread, Vijayasankar ji's >>>>>>>>> poster >>>>>>>>> shows fruits of three species. >>>>>>>>> In that, I see fruits of my posted plant is much closer to the >>>>>>>>> parent species: *Tribulus terrestris* than that of *Tribulus >>>>>>>>> lanuginosus* >>>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:48 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, Dinesh ji. >>>>>>>>>> Among all the varieties given in Catalogue of Life >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/Tribulus+terrestris+/fossil/1/match/1>, >>>>>>>>>> only *Tribulus terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) >>>>>>>>>> Hadidi is reported from India, as per distribution given at the >>>>>>>>>> links. >>>>>>>>>> So we may take this one only. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 23:36, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At GBIF, I had gone through various pages, and concluded as >>>>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. ... *synonyms, sub-species, varieties* >>>>>>>>>>> at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5421116> >>>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. ... synonym of variety *Tribulus >>>>>>>>>>> terrestris* var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi ... >>>>>>>>>>> status at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5635159> >>>>>>>>>>> It was too confusing for me to dig into varieties of *Tribulus >>>>>>>>>>> terrestris*. >>>>>>>>>>> Let me know whether you think posted plant has to be labelled >>>>>>>>>>> explicitly as *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:44 PM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> May be *Tribulus lanuginosus* as per keys and details at Tribulus >>>>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 20:48 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:335700] Tribulus terrestris :: >>>>>>>>>>>> Puducherry :: 15 OCT 19 >>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Pondicherry] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49113641273%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF5pirOmx-bITzNj0GW203XB1ZM0g> >>>>>>>>>>>> Puducherry near sea coast >>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: October 15, 2019 ... *Altitude range*: about 0 - 3 m >>>>>>>>>>>> (0 - 10 feet) asl >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Tribulus terrestris L.] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48967519426%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE6QTCsrj1iD6MKm08MzZcsiZYCzQ> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Nerunci (Tamil: நெருஞ்சி)] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923025477%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGiEXTeEtdqslyfzWAyBJ1ciYeXJQ> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Lahan gokharu (Marathi: लहान गोखरू)] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923257373%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEgjgU_iT7gcFC5UswxFR-FKmIQCg> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sanna neggilu (Kannada: ಸಣ್ಣ ನೆಗ್ಗಿಲು)] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991447%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEq0VeczQXbvDp6qBz5V9cw-fdoQQ> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Mitha gokharu (Kachchhi: મિઠા ગોખરુ)] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991042%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNG8TowJjsKnckTFVeyYGNTPtaRL0g> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Palleru (Telugu: పల్లేరు)] >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923255768%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEeIIX8_j8BP1FXH1OYNs49QKwjLw> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>> e-group <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> >>>>>>>>>>>> (largest >>>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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