Dear Vijaysankar ji I am very much aware of eFlora of China and treatment in It, but let us appreciate the fact that Flora of China is 1997 publication. I have following to support my conclusion:
The Plant list...............................................2010 Wikipedia....................................................September, 2011 GRIN............................................................note on Sept, 2011 based on *Beattie, A.* 2011. pers. comm. via E–mail to L. Fowler on 15 Sept 2011. [re. *M. exotica* vs. *M. paniculata*]. Perhaps many more will follow. In my opinion two plants looking differently does not make much difference. What is important are differences are sufficient enough to merit distinction or merger. I believe in what taxonomic World thinks currently. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > No HS ji, I am sure He won't neglect FoC's treatment. The editors of FoC > also had the same opinion like ours, in both the cases Murraya and > Flacourtia. We know that they are (the spp.) different. That's why when > several Indian Floras treated them as synonyms, we could not agree. But > someone does come with solutions, and now we are comfortable. Its matter of > time. Thanks to the dynamic nature of plant systematics. Nothing is final! > > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:53 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Vijay ji for sharing this,, >> >> but even i know that Sirji will not agree with this.. >> >> thanks, >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Vijayasankar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> We all know that Flora of China (FoC) is one of the most trusted efloras, >>> and most of the time a ready reference for identifying our Indian plants, >>> too. >>> It treats *Murraya paniculata* and *M. exotica* as different species. We >>> knew this based on our field experience. >>> The differences, as per FoC are: [ >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=121339] >>> >>> Leaflet blades mostly suborbicular to ovate to elliptic, 1.5-6 cm wide* >>> M. paniculata* >>> Leaflet blades elliptic-obovate or obovate, 0.5-3 cm >>> wide *M. exotica* >>> >>> These may appear to be variable characters if we refer only herbarium >>> specimens. >>> Some taxa for e.g. Flacourtia indica & F. romantchii, we know they are >>> different based on their differences in habit, ecology etc., but its hard to >>> find strong characters to distinguish them convincingly. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Vijayasankar Raman >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Nothing can help one who does not want to see reason. Who can stop me if >>>> I insist on believing that whole taxonomic World is wrong. Let those who >>>> want to live in their World be so. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> If plant is different surely they will have some differences i >>>>> guess... >>>>> >>>>> I think every one will agree that M. paniculata present in the wild as >>>>> well as in cultivation whereas M. exotica or M. paniculata var. exotica or >>>>> cv of M. paniculata whatever we say its commonly cultivated in the garden >>>>> for the glossy laeves and beautiful flowers.. if its cv than who had made >>>>> it???? no doubt they are different and in Maharashtra both can seen very >>>>> commonly,, those who eager to see the species can visit Amboli, >>>>> Mahabaleshwar, Mathera, Pune, Bhimashankar etc places to see M. paniculata >>>>> and M. exotica in Nashik garden, Mumbai (Rani baug, Bombay trust garden, >>>>> Gorai, Sanjay Gandhi National Park in Plantation near pond,, etc etc..), >>>>> Kolhapur, Pune garden.. etc etc. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mahadeswara ji >>>>>> For that that matter all species which have been described on the >>>>>> basis of different holotypes would be different species, because they >>>>>> will >>>>>> have some differences. If we have that concept there would be no >>>>>> heterotypic >>>>>> synonyms and we will have more than 5 lac species of angiosperms on this >>>>>> Earth, whereas most authors agree on this number being below 3 lacs. As I >>>>>> have written earlier also Hortus Third (considered Bible for cultivated >>>>>> plants), The Plant List, now even GRIN, and numerous other publications >>>>>> treat them as synonyms, and we would be doing little service to ignore >>>>>> them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mahadeswara <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Vijayasankar ji and H.S.ji. Both are different >>>>>>> species. Both these species are available in IIT Madras Campus and >>>>>>> C L R I Campus, Adyar Chennai. While the M. paniculata is wild, >>>>>>> M.exotica is cultivated. In photograph both the plants look like. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, I am not in Chennai now. I had the photographs of >>>>>>> both. I will try to dig out from the archives in due course and post >>>>>>> it to the group (depends on getting the photographs) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 26, 6:40 am, Balkar Arya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > Dear All >>>>>>> > *Murraya paniculata* >>>>>>> > *Family Rutaceae >>>>>>> > * >>>>>>> > *From Garden of PIET Campus Samalkha Panipat >>>>>>> > *-- >>>>>>> > Regards >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>> > Haryana-132103 >>>>>>> > 09416262964 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (1).JPG >>>>>>> > 175KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (2).JPG >>>>>>> > 258KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (3).JPG >>>>>>> > 240KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (4).JPG >>>>>>> > 180KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (5).JPG >>>>>>> > 214KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (6).JPG >>>>>>> > 186KViewDownload >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (7).JPG >>>>>>> > 201KViewDownload >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - H.S. >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of >> stone >> >> >
