I don't know, how many of us have seen these two plants, but i am sure who ever have seen these two proper specimen will never treat it as one..
before i had said and again i am saying there are number of gaps in The Plant List on Indian plants,,, those who want to follow it, no one can stop them.. regards, On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Vijaysankar ji > I am very much aware of eFlora of China and treatment in It, but let us > appreciate the fact that Flora of China is 1997 publication. I have > following to support my conclusion: > > The Plant list...............................................2010 > Wikipedia....................................................September, > 2011 > GRIN............................................................note on > Sept, 2011 based on *Beattie, A.* 2011. pers. comm. via E–mail to L. > Fowler on 15 Sept 2011. [re. *M. exotica* vs. *M. paniculata*]. > > Perhaps many more will follow. In my opinion two plants looking differently > does not make much difference. What is important are differences are > sufficient enough to merit distinction or merger. I believe in what > taxonomic World thinks currently. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> No HS ji, I am sure He won't neglect FoC's treatment. The editors of FoC >> also had the same opinion like ours, in both the cases Murraya and >> Flacourtia. We know that they are (the spp.) different. That's why when >> several Indian Floras treated them as synonyms, we could not agree. But >> someone does come with solutions, and now we are comfortable. Its matter of >> time. Thanks to the dynamic nature of plant systematics. Nothing is final! >> >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:53 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Vijay ji for sharing this,, >>> >>> but even i know that Sirji will not agree with this.. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Vijayasankar >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> We all know that Flora of China (FoC) is one of the most trusted >>>> efloras, and most of the time a ready reference for identifying our Indian >>>> plants, too. >>>> It treats *Murraya paniculata* and *M. exotica* as different species. >>>> We knew this based on our field experience. >>>> The differences, as per FoC are: [ >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=121339] >>>> >>>> Leaflet blades mostly suborbicular to ovate to elliptic, 1.5-6 cm wide* >>>> M. paniculata* >>>> Leaflet blades elliptic-obovate or obovate, 0.5-3 cm >>>> wide *M. exotica* >>>> >>>> These may appear to be variable characters if we refer only herbarium >>>> specimens. >>>> Some taxa for e.g. Flacourtia indica & F. romantchii, we know they are >>>> different based on their differences in habit, ecology etc., but its hard >>>> to >>>> find strong characters to distinguish them convincingly. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nothing can help one who does not want to see reason. Who can stop me >>>>> if I insist on believing that whole taxonomic World is wrong. Let those >>>>> who >>>>> want to live in their World be so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> If plant is different surely they will have some differences i >>>>>> guess... >>>>>> >>>>>> I think every one will agree that M. paniculata present in the wild as >>>>>> well as in cultivation whereas M. exotica or M. paniculata var. exotica >>>>>> or >>>>>> cv of M. paniculata whatever we say its commonly cultivated in the garden >>>>>> for the glossy laeves and beautiful flowers.. if its cv than who had made >>>>>> it???? no doubt they are different and in Maharashtra both can seen very >>>>>> commonly,, those who eager to see the species can visit Amboli, >>>>>> Mahabaleshwar, Mathera, Pune, Bhimashankar etc places to see M. >>>>>> paniculata >>>>>> and M. exotica in Nashik garden, Mumbai (Rani baug, Bombay trust garden, >>>>>> Gorai, Sanjay Gandhi National Park in Plantation near pond,, etc etc..), >>>>>> Kolhapur, Pune garden.. etc etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mahadeswara ji >>>>>>> For that that matter all species which have been described on the >>>>>>> basis of different holotypes would be different species, because they >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> have some differences. If we have that concept there would be no >>>>>>> heterotypic >>>>>>> synonyms and we will have more than 5 lac species of angiosperms on this >>>>>>> Earth, whereas most authors agree on this number being below 3 lacs. As >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have written earlier also Hortus Third (considered Bible for cultivated >>>>>>> plants), The Plant List, now even GRIN, and numerous other publications >>>>>>> treat them as synonyms, and we would be doing little service to ignore >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mahadeswara >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Vijayasankar ji and H.S.ji. Both are different >>>>>>>> species. Both these species are available in IIT Madras Campus >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> C L R I Campus, Adyar Chennai. While the M. paniculata is wild, >>>>>>>> M.exotica is cultivated. In photograph both the plants look like. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I am not in Chennai now. I had the photographs of >>>>>>>> both. I will try to dig out from the archives in due course and >>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>> it to the group (depends on getting the photographs) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 6:40 am, Balkar Arya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > Dear All >>>>>>>> > *Murraya paniculata* >>>>>>>> > *Family Rutaceae >>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>> > *From Garden of PIET Campus Samalkha Panipat >>>>>>>> > *-- >>>>>>>> > Regards >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>> > Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>> > 09416262964 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (1).JPG >>>>>>>> > 175KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (2).JPG >>>>>>>> > 258KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (3).JPG >>>>>>>> > 240KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (4).JPG >>>>>>>> > 180KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (5).JPG >>>>>>>> > 214KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (6).JPG >>>>>>>> > 186KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (7).JPG >>>>>>>> > 201KViewDownload >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of stone >>> >>> >> > > > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
