Hi Dino, Thanks for clarification. Then expectations of users intuitively from my side can be:
(1) I want to be agnostic to the network protocols (I do not want to know Bluetooth, ZigBee, thread, Airdrop, or any others). I just hope that if I buy an IoT device, I can take control of it by my phone (better locally). (2) I want to have strict privacy/security. No traces can be linked to me according to the networking actions I took once I choose to remain anonymous. (3) I can access my devices/data anytime, anywhere, all under my control. Any data that I have/bought cannot be confiscated or taken away from me. (4) Similar to your first point: I want to be always attached to the Internet by any personal devices. (then I can better enjoy the features above) Here I have another question: application developer/programmer should have a different angle for new features. Of course application developer/programmer should to be agnostic (or learn as less as possible) to network stuffs during developing, but definitely they have more insights and more details shall be learned by them. Thanks, Yihao -----Original Message----- From: Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> Sent: 2021.12.4 3:22 To: Jiayihao <jiayi...@huawei.com> Cc: int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet? > I think the discussion is about to talk which layer should the features be > added to. (network? Host? Or the abstracted waist?) > > It is true that users expect more features from the NETWORK as a lot of you > proposed, but users are definitely know nothing about TCP/IP or OSI or ATM > architecture. I certainly agree and hence why multi-homing and mobility needs to be hidden from both the apps and the users that use such apps. > For this, users do not ask that features must be added to a certain layers, > and ALL layers seems to be a bundle named NETWORK to them. Right. Agree. > So can I shape the discussion into “What feature may users expect from the > NETWORK? ” (Here the NETWORK is regarded as a bundle from a user perspective). So here is my request again acting as a dumb user: "I want to move around and stay connected ALL THE TIME". "I want more bandwidth out of my phone". "Why do I have to refresh all the time when an app says 'not connected'." > Once we confirmed these expected features form users/outsiders, it only goes > to insiders’ discussion and choices that which layers the features should be > put to. Agree. So lets agree on the features before discussing any types of solutions. In my replies I have talked about solutions because other have asked. I want this thread to set user requirements. Dino _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
