Hi, Come now guys.
I see a serious problem in this discussion. As far as I am concerned, the #1 question is: Is water introduced into a diesel engine instead of the diesel fuel going to flash evaporate near the top of the stroke, or isn't it? #2 question is: Is the flashed water vapor going to drive the piston long enough before it may condense back to liquid? If both of these questions are answered as yes, everything else is of a secondary importance and can be solved by proper engineering i.e. ceramic cylinders and pistons, even plastic inserts and/or coatings. The crunch is not whether the process will or will not destroy a standard diesel engine, but whether the principle is sound or not. My kind regards, Slavek Marshall Dudley wrote: > > No, they will corrode in a matter of days making them useless. They also > require the > diesel fuel for lubrication. My son got some bad diesel for a brand new Jeep > Liberty > Diesel that had some water in it, and destroyed all 4 of his injectors, they > were not > even able to clean them up to get them working again. The warantee did not > cover it, > and new injectors cost him $400 each. > > Marshall > > Ron Hammar wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I think some of the new diesel fuel injectors have a psi of around 3000 psi. > > Could something like this be use for the water? > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Interact" <interact@listserv.capital-master.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:12 AM > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Keelynet] New variant of Eternal engine. > > > > > O.K. Jerry, I'll take a crack at this. It appears that this guy is > > > talking about a simple steam engine. He rightly says that water under > > > various pressures boils at different temperatures, and is telling us how > > > his engine works. He uses super heated water to 800 degrees c. which is > > > under extreme pressure, and therefore still in a liquid state, as the sole > > > source of pressure in the piston. When the piston is just beyond top dead > > > center, probably 2 degrees, the superheated water is injected into the > > > cylinder. Now that the water is in the piston, the pressure variable has > > > changed, and the water literally 'explodes' into steam, expanding itself > > > 1673 times its liquid volume, which then creates tremendous pressure > > > within the cylinder, forcing the piston to move, and running the engine. > > > After the steam has done it's work, and as the piston returns to top dead > > > center, a valve opens and allows the steam to return to a closed loop > > > system for recycling back into the piston, thereby reducing the energy > > > required to heat the water, because the steam is returning to, and helping > > > to keep hot, the water reservoir. > > > This differs from a normal steam engine in only one respect; in a normal > > > motor, the boiler makes the steam, and the steam that is in the boiler is > > > under pressure, and this pressure is common to the boiler and piston. > > > There is no 'explosive force', because once the water turns to steam, that > > > is the only pressure used. Also a normal steam engine does not usually > > > recycle the heat. > > > In Vasily's motor, superheated water goes into the cylinder, and then > > > expands. Actually, this engine should be much more efficient than a normal > > > engine, but I don't see any over-unity here, because there sill has to be > > > a heat source for the water. But, It looks like he says that as the steam > > > 'explodes', it somehow helps to heat the water for the next cycle. How it > > > would do that, I don't know. Also, I have to wonder, if there was a given > > > amount of water that exactly filled it's sealed container, and this was > > > heated to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, what would the pressure on the > > > container be? The water, while not allowed to expand into steam, would > > > remain liquid, but surely the pressures would be tremendous, and require > > > some real power to pump in more water to keep the reservoir full. Mitch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jerry Decker - KN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Interact" <interact@listserv.capital-master.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Keelynet] New variant of Eternal engine. > > > > > > > > >> Hola Vasily et al! > > >> > > >> I am posting this to our list to see if there is any feedback, thanks! > > >> > > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/interact%40listserv.capital-master.com/maillist.html > > >> > > >> Vasily Bezukladnikov wrote: > > >>> - In diesel the air (in following cycles in the cylinder instead of > > >>> air will be already the steam) heat up by compression to 800 *C. > > >>> Injected water at first will cool hot air, which will be compressed > > >>> from cooling by cool water, it will facilitate the further squeeze of > > >>> air by piston. At diminishing of temperature on one degree of Celsius > > >>> any gas decreases on 1/273 part of volume. The water warms up from > > >>> hot jammed air, but pressing of environment of the cylinder hampers a > > >>> boiling of water, though already at temperature 372 *C all water > > >>> accepts a gaseous phase independently from the further growth of > > >>> pressure. > > >>> > > >>> Pressure, p (Atm.) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 ... 100 218 Water > > >>> boiling-point, t (C*) - 100 119 132 141 150 157 163 168 173 178 182 > > >>> ... 310 372 > > >>> > > >>> Analyzing temperature of entered water and the speed of rotation of > > >>> crankshaft and the load, the electronics should regulate the > > >>> injection time, the quantity and the size of droplets of sprayed > > >>> water so that water boiled only after passage by the piston of the > > >>> top dead center. The water, at the boiling or steam exhalation, > > >>> increases the volume in 1673 times, than helps compressed air to push > > >>> the piston. During a working stroke in cylinder, falls the pressure > > >>> of gases, from it the all super-heated water do boil as explosion and > > >>> gives an accumulated surplus energy to compressed steam for pushing > > >>> the piston. Besides, the explosion do the shock wave, which by the > > >>> strongest heating of gas can instantly ignite various subjects, and > > >>> which with supersonic speed having repeatedly a reflect from the > > >>> piston and surface of cylinder, does the essential heating of the > > >>> formerly compressed steam. In moment of bottom dead center the > > >>> electronics through the small outlet valve issues only surpluses of > > >>> air (of steam) into a radiator for repeated using of condensation > > >>> water. In the beginning of new compression, when in the cylinder > > >>> impedes injection almost minimal pressure, the water enters and > > >>> stimulates cooling, condensation and compression of steam in > > >>> cylinder. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Excuse bad translation from Russian > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> ===================================================== > > >> from Jerry Decker @ http://www.keelynet.com > > >> Order out of Chaos - From an Art to a Science > > >> Donations : http://www.keelynet.com/donate1.htm > > >> Books/Videos : http://www.keelynet.com/products.htm > > >> MexiStim Energy Stimulator > > >> http://www.keelynet.com/mexistim/nexcrock.htm > > >> * * * * * * * * > > >> Vanguard Sciences (eBooks and DVDs) > > >> http://www.vanguardsciences.biz > > >> The Physics of Crystals DVD > > >> Lil Pyramid Builder eBook > > >> High Voltage & Free Energy Devices eBook > > >> $$ 14 Ways to save Money on Fuel Costs $$ eBook > > >> ===================================================== > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 > > >> > > >> > > > > > >
