I don't think it's a matter of agreeing but rather we can try and figure out 
how to get out of this stale mate. This includes going down the path I 
suggested which includes doing some more homework to figure this out. I am 
keeping an open mind and am willing to be convinced but I feel there's still 
significant work to be done to figure out both the upgrade path and the 
performance piece. I am more than willing to put some work into this but we 
shouldn't just make impulsive decisions without seriously considering the 
consequences.
Also, if at the end of this we still feel like we'll need to maintain two 
different code bases then I see only disadvantages over maintaining one with 
two different ways of running. It'll be much less work for maintainers. Sure, 
both situations aren't great but it's the lesser of both evils.

Anyway, as I suggested, let's do more homework. We started and it wasn't a 
pretty sight. But still lots to do. There seem to be enough passionate people 
on this list to actually port 3-4 apps over and give us some more input on the 
answers we really need.

Andi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derick Rethans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:19 PM
> To: Andi Gutmans
> Cc: Andrei Zmievski; Lukas Kahwe Smith; Antony Dovgal; Rasmus Lerdorf;
> PHP Developers Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6?
> 
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> 
> > No I'm absolutely not OK with removing this switch and as we
> currently
> > did most of the implementation for it and are maintaining it I see no
> > reason to remove it. 95% of our users couldn't care less about native
> > Unicode support except for the performance hit they'd take due to the
> > slower functions and increased memory usage. For most of them they
> gain
> > nothing and only loose.
> > Anyway, don't want to reignite the thread here. I will take it
> offline
> > to discuss with the people who have been involved in this project and
> > discuss further. The mailing list here isn't exactly working.
> 
> What makes you think that any other group can agree on this?
> 
> regards,
> Derick
> 
> --
> Derick Rethans
> http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org

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