On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Stas Malyshev <smalys...@sugarcrm.com> wrote:
>> The way I see it, we can't employ the voting part of this RFC unless >> we can agree on rules on how this voting works; It's fine that we >> don't decide exactly how we're going to do it. But then, it means >> that we don't get to do it until we do decide. > > Well, we'd have to vote somehow, e.g. on RFC itself :) I agree that before > that (and including array syntax) votes were kind of haphazard and we need > to do better. So let's have the voting process RFC. I took the liberty of > capturing your email, with minimal edits, here: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/voting - please edit/rewrite as you wish. I did not > add anything about percentages etc. there as I have no idea how we could > formalize it :) I will add a reference to it in the Relase Process RFC as they are complementary and must be resolved/adopted at the same time and before we go with 5.4 >> What makes the most sense to me is to separate the decision making >> process into another RFC altogether. If people feel it's premature > I don't think it's premature, quite the opposite. I just think we need to > have agreement of release process in general (so we could start with the > actual release process) and then work out details as they come up. The first > of those would be the voting RFC. Actually I think Zeev has a good point on the voting, it has been hurting us for too long already. I do think that waiting that these RFCs (voting and then release process) are adopted is a must, before any kind of new releases. Not doing that will open the pandaro box again, think of the dead cows like 6, or the endless release phase of 5.3. > I'm just afraid substantial changes in the release RFC mean we need to have > new discussion about it and take more time to do it, and in the meantime we > have nothing at all, so we have to either start the release process without > anything at all or delay it until we figure out every last fine detail. I'd > rather have general principles down and when we get to the fine details we'd > deal with them. I think we have a consensus on this rfc already. Except the voting process everything has been approved by most if not all active developers already (see the proposer, for the other readers). By the way, I'm not saying we don't need a vote, only that we are closed to get it approved globally. So if we need to wait one or two weeks more to sort them out, then let do it. It will be a giant step forward and spare us many of the painful moments we had in the past, way too often. That being said, it is not a waste of time anyway. The discussions about what should be in 5.4 (especially the recently proposed features) will take a couple of weeks as well, so we can already say that we are already in the 5.4 phase. But we did not and can't yet begin with a 1st release, without having defined what will be in. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
