On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Zeev, > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:21 PM > >> To: Dmitry Stogov > >> Cc: Zeev Suraski; Jordi Boggiano; PHP Internals > >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Zend JIT Open Sourced > >> > >> Dmitry, > >> > >> > Sneaky sneaky. Also completely fake. > >> > >> It's been brought to my attention that some people have taken what I > said > >> completely out of context and insinuated it as a direct insult to you. > > > > Anthony, > > > > I'm not sure how calling what Dmitry did sneaky (adj. furtive, stealthy; > > deceptive, deceitful) and fake (ajd. counterfeit, false) is not an > insult. > > You could have picked wrong, problematic, inadequate, poor - or a dozen > > other adjectives that don't literally claim that Dmitry did it > intentionally > > to give an unfair advantage to the PHP implementation (which, just in > case > > anybody's wondering, you also wrote literally, using the word > > 'intentionally' in the previous sentence. > > > > You're not clairvoyant and you have no idea whether Dmitry did it > > intentionally or not, and the adjectives you used mean negative intent. > > > > If you apologize, apologize for real and not with disclaimers that it was > > taken out of context. It wasn't. > > > > And I have no idea why I had to bring it to your attention. If somehow > you > > slipped, you should have fixed it yourself immediately. > > I had intended it as a remark about the code. Not about him > personally, not about you, not about Zend. The presence of the > explicit buffering code indicates that it wasn't an accident. Whether > it was intentional for extra speed or not, it's still an intentionally > different codepath between the rest of the implementations. One that > in practice can have non-trivial differences over outputting directly. > > If you took that as an insult against him, you or Zend, then I'm > sorry. I still believe the benchmark is very subtly broken, and hence > the results are invalid. I apologized to any insult that may have been > misdirected at the person. > > Please, can we talk about code separately from the person? A good > person can produce bad code. That happens. I know, I produce a lot of > it. I don't take insult when people call my code bad. And I hope we > can call code bad. Because if we can't, we can never grow or move on > as people or as a project. > > So I do apologize to the person. I don't to the code. > > Anthony > > PS: Dmitry accepted my apology. Can you please? > yes. please. we all have good expectancies anyway. (even if we can't agree on some topics) Dmitry.
