Hi Alan, Hopefully in IPv6 the address allocation policies can be more equitable for all. A large university or a small commercial enterprise can both get a /48. No need to fill out bundles of paperwork to get more than a /28 for your IPv4 leased line... :) (The paperwork comes when you want your second /48, but that should be a while off!) At the ISP level, it seems SubTLA allocation policies are quite open at the moment (more so than a year ago), and this is reflected in the recent (relative) explosion in SubTLA allocations made. Or do you still perceive soemthing different happening?
[As an aside, there are many colleges in the UK with a /28 and NAT, but that's another story...] Cheers, Tim On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 12:28:56PM -0500, Alan E. Beard wrote: > Tim: > > Please don't misunderstand my intent here: I don't have a problem with > the NREN networks, or with the top-quality treatment afforded them in the > matter of address allocations. These networks clearly deserve, and should > have, the best available quality of service in matters related to address > allocations. > > Additionally, the views expressed in my note don't originate with me; > rather, my note contained a precis of the views expressed to me (sometimes > in language of markedly purple and blue character) by some of my clients. > The objections cited are not to the treatment afforded to the NREN > networks, but to the decidedly discriminatory treatment afforded to > end-user commercial (as distinguished from service-provider) networks. > > I offer my profound and abject apologies to the NREN networks; I deeply > regret any imputation of dog-in-the-manger attitude which might have > arisen from any reading of my statement; such was certainly not my intent. > > Thank you for raising this matter, and for offering an opportunity to > correct any mistaken impression which might have arisen from my note. > > Regards, > > AEB > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Tim Chown wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:59:21PM -0500, Alan E. Beard wrote: > > > > > > > I agree that NREN networks differ from other networks, but it does not > > > follow that other networks should thereby be forced to discriminatory > > > treatment while NREN networks obtain top-quality service. (BTW, Brown v. > > > Board is a 1950s US Supreme Court ruling which held that, in the provision > > > of services - in this case, public education - separate facilities or > > > service models for different groups are inherently unequal. Furthermore, > > > the Court held that, in this context, unequal == discriminatory. This is > > > considered a landmark ruling in the area of civil rights law.) > > > > Alan, > > > > I note a second reference to this... > > > > You seem to have an "issue" with publicly funded research/education > > networks, which I don't quite understand. There are advantages and > > disadvantages with being attached to an NREN. There are quite strict > > AUPs that (should) prevent such networks being used for commercial > > purposes (which would be unfair competition with commercial providers). > > > > My original point was that there is a large (but very much minority) user > > and system base in the educational networks, where aggregation and (site > > or enterprise) multihoming is very rare (one of the disadvantages :) > > Perhaps universities in the future will be more keen to be multi-homed, > > but enterprise level multihoming is rare in this context. > > > > Universities are not forced to use NREN infrastructure, although it would > > not generally make financial or technical sense to go elsewhere. > > > > Tim > > > > -- > Alan E. Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > AEBeard Consulting; 4109 Chelsa Ln; Lakeland FL 33809 > 863.815.2529 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List > IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng > FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng > Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------
