It is not an IETF task or in the charter and it is being done elsewhere.  This is not 
even a technical discussion IMO.

/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Strauf (JOIN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:14 AM
> To: Fred Baker
> Cc: Michel Py; Mark Smith; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: IPv6 adoption behavior
> 
> 
> > My crystal ball is as cloudy as anyone's. But I would 
> expect that it 
> > is all
> > a matter of economics. 
> I very much agree with you on this point. The problem is that 
> right now it's too hard to sell IPv6 (in the literal sense of 
> the word). I believe that one of the reasons for this is that 
> some features that are theoretically distinctly easier to 
> realise with IPv6, e.g. easier end-to-end security or 
> de-NAT-ification because of bigger address space, need a lot 
> of improvement and development to be deployable in a 
> commercial surrounding. E.g., unless there are (simplified 
> speaking) stable and good interoperable IPsec implementations 
> for improved end-to-end security and a good number of 
> firewalls with stateful filtering to really replace current 
> v4 solutions that employ NAT, it will be difficult to 
> convince sales people that there actually is something about 
> IPv6 that can be sold as a feature that makes it better than 
> IPv4 (if we leave aside IPv4 address exhaustion for the moment).
> 
> It would make sense to look into which implementations need 
> to be programmed first to create a market for IPv6 and to 
> write proposals on what kind of implementations that might 
> be. However, I believe that this is not the IETF's task, or is it?
> 
> Cheers,
> Christian
> 
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