On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 07:06, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> Gerald Bauer wrote:
> >   Tom writes:
> > 
> >  Sun invariably says that they can't think of what
> > problems open source Java would solve that aren't
> > already solved. Of course that's ridiculous.
> 
> Why?
> 
> > It is
> > pretty hard for Linux vendors to ship a working JRE on
> > their platform if they make any sort of changes at all
> 
> Well, that's the idea, isn't it?  Java is certified by Sun
> to run the same on every platform it's licensed for, and
> as a programmer who's been developing with Java for six
> years, I depend on that.  Open-source it and it'll fork.
> 
> >   On top of this, non-free core software is something
> > to be avoided in the community.
> Only if you let ideology stand in your way.
> 
first of all.. sorry about my english :$

        But It is this ideology which has taken us to this way. Ideals of
freedom and an "open community" is what keep excellent programmers and
loyal users using Linux and/or other opersourced projects. 

        Perhaps Mr. Holmer would like to explain to me (or us) which ideology
may "stand" in his "way".....


> > This overly-controlled
> > approach on Sun's part is losing the Linux desktop to
> > .NET.
> 
> Do you have some statistics to back that up?


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