yes, we are all working on the end user experience. We are looking at  
the whole stack from memory usage to excess class loading to graphics  
performance to getting the new plugin out there. (not to mention the  
Java Store). more good things are on the way.
-=j
On Jun 27, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Michael Neale wrote:

>
> I love what bits I have seen of JavaFX that have worked well. I am
> with Joe - the key is now the experience for end users (including me)
> on all the browsers: firstly, does everyone have it? if not, how  
> quick/
> idiot proof is it to be up and running. I still noticed too many of
> the demos were asking me to "trust" them (and using certs my system
> didn't really recognise). So its not FX itself (which is 110% awesome)
> but everything else.
>
> Which brings us back to the modularity issue... (as I am guessing
> modularising the VM itself will help with the above somewhat.
>
> On Jun 28, 11:07 am, Joshua Marinacci <jos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> give it a try. The browser plugin has made huge strides in the past
>> year.
>>
>>> re Joshua: yeah I like that idea. Years ago I wanted to do that with
>>> applets and "live connect" but it wasn't easy, I do like the promise
>>> of it now - but the problem is its still a promise, its a risk to  
>>> take
>>> over "vanilla" web things as they are now (as clunky as they may
>>> seem).
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 9:16 am, Augusto <augusto.sellh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On the subject of HTML 5 driven apps like Google Wave (didn't  
>>>> know it
>>>> required html 5 until this last podcast). The pirate bay is  
>>>> releasing
>>>> their answer to YouTube via the VideoBay.
>>
>>>> Interestingly they will only support HTML 5 browsers and up, so I
>>>> guess there's more than just Google already itching to support the
>>>> new
>>>> HTML standard instead of other RIA technologies. Interesting.
>>
>>>> http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/video-bay-launching-with-
>>>> html-5-...
>>
>>>> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/27/2018242/The-Video-Bay-Now-
>>>> In-...
> >


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