Eric, I'm not trying to get on you personally about anything, however I don't recall anybody proclaiming themselves as being fans of Jigsaw here, or anywhere, and even if somebody did that still doesn't mean that it applies to the entire group. I don't think its fair to use the term, because of the negative connotations of the term.
However, if I misunderstood your intent, then I apologize. I also respect your right to disagree with my opinion on the matter. So no harm intended. Thanks and good luck. On Jul 2, 1:36 am, Eric Newcomer <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bill, > > I was very simply and only saying this because some people had identified > themselves as such on this list. This seems like another case of the > problem - to object to my using a label someone used for themselves is very > strange. > > If you look at this from a purely technical angle there is no good reason > for the Jigsaw project to exist. You can disagree about that, and it's > fine, but to get after me for using a term someone else has already used is > very strange indeed. > > I cannot see how pointing out that competition and politics is involved is a > negative or a criticism. This is a fact of life, that's all. When that > happens some people are going to align themselves one way or another. That's > it. Nothing negative implied. > > Eric > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Bill Robertson > <billrobertso...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Eric, I don't think it is fair to call somebody who accepts the Jigsaw > > project's decision a "Jigsaw fan." I can't speak for anybody else, > > but I don't see their decision as a partisan issue. The engineers > > with the fingers on the keyboard seem like reasonable people, and they > > say that this is the best decision for their circumstances (technical > > and deadline), so I accept that. Its not an issue of rooting for not- > > OSGI v.s. OSGI for me. I'm sure others feel this way as well. > > > Thanks. > > > On Jul 1, 6:52 pm, Eric Newcomer <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > Thanks very much. In the end I realized I over reacted, and the right > > thing > > > was to take it down. I also appreciate where things are right now, i.e. > > in a > > > better conversation. > > > > One of the things Dick said about this (paraphrasing) was that it might > > have > > > been different if I had a better experience with the community. After > > > following Java Posse discussions for a while now I agree that's the case. > > > > It can sometimes be difficult to identify business/political motivations > > in > > > technical discussions, and I think Dick also was right to say some folks > > > posting to the list were just trying to score political points. I would > > say > > > this was what triggered my over-reaction. > > > > One thing I would like to say in terms of a comment on this topic is that > > I > > > think everyone recognizes the goals of Jigsaw as being valid, and I don't > > > blame anyone for being a fan of Jigsaw. But many of its goals have > > already > > > been achieved in OSGi, and I would hope that the Jigsaw fans can > > understand > > > why those of us who had invested in OSGi before Jigsaw was started raise > > the > > > question of why OSGi was not used as the starting point. I know that the > > > Jigsaw folks replied to these points, but I think it's also > > understandable > > > to question the replies, given the historical rivalry of Sun vs IBM over > > the > > > future of Java, and the use of OSGi in Eclipse. > > > > Eric > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Bill Robertson < > > billrobertso...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Eric, > > > > > You took some heat for posting this in the first place, so I think its > > > > only fair that you be recognized for doing the right thing. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > On Jun 30, 9:19 am, Eric <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I took this down. Apologies for the over- reaction. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Jun 26, 5:24 pm, "phil.swen...@gmail.com" <phil.swen...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >http://modualrit.blogspot.com/2009/06/jigsaw-posse.html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
