You might take a look at Grails and Spring ROO, both of which have GWT
plugins for them.

Cheers,

Mark

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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Alexey <inline_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Agreed, but let's keep in mind that things happened that allowed us to
> let go of many of the frameworks many of us were initially drawn to.
> Firstly, there was the move to stronger standardization of things like
> DOM, CSS, and HTML and better implementations in the browsers,
> particularly the welcome demise of IE6.  On the other hand, much more
> work was put into client-side frameworks/libraries like jQuery and
> YUI.  And of course we're now also seeing the rise of frameworks like
> GWT that give us client-side language of our choice (Java) with all
> the usual perks (strong typing, back-end interoperability, seamless
> RPC).
>
> The end result of all this is that there are more than ever reasons to
> reduce complexity on the back end and leverage client-side standards
> and libraries with significant momentum behind them.  I think the
> debates died down largely because of these changes in our web-dev
> ecosystem than due to any side winning over the philosophical
> framework arguments that once seemed so far-reaching.
>
> On Oct 28, 12:39 pm, clay <claytonw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Five years ago, there were intense debates of web frameworks. There
> > were Java framework wars among Struts vs JSF vs Tapestry vs Wicket vs
> > Spring vs etc along with the the prominent non-Java frameworks such as
> > PHP, ASP.NET, Rails, etc.
> >
> > Recently, I've been working on rich web applications that use:
> > - 100% static HTML/JavaScript/CSS
> > - Client-side JavaScript GUI framework such as ExtJS or YUI or
> > something similar.
> > - Server-side web services such as JAX-RS/JSON or something similar.
> >
> > No traditional server-side HTML web framework.
> >
> > This really seems like the perfect dev stack for the web. The tools
> > are extremely easy to learn and use and debug. I can edit static HTML/
> > JS content and get feedback instantly or edit server-side code and
> > restart web services in seconds. There is no code generation, which
> > from past experience always leads to headaches eventually. Completely
> > separate client/server source code is much easier to read, edit, and
> > works much better with syntax highlighting than hybrid server-side
> > template files that mixed template markup, server code, and client
> > code. And, most importantly, the end web apps are extremely high
> > quality, extremely fast, and fully customizable.
> >
> > Having done hundreds of web projects with dozens of web frameworks,
> > and witnessing so much debate about which framework was better, I'm
> > amazed at how much better web development is without any traditional
> > framework piece at all.
> >
> > So, would people tend to agree? I'm also surprised that after how
> > heated the server-side web framework wars got, few people have
> > mentioned their obsolescence.
>
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