Why on Earth shouldn't a large investment bank be on the EC? It's much better to have some diversity rather than having purely vendor organisations. When a standards body is dominated by vendors instead of users, it tends to lose focus on what people actually USE and WANT. It wanders off into realms of vast and unnecessary complexity, because this drives up prices.
Indeed, I think there should be more "user" companies like CS and Google to balance out the vendors like IBM and Oracle. Anyway, I've heard estimates that CS employs approximately 13,000 developers. Not all Java developers of course, but they clearly have the brainpower to provide a constructive opinion about *any* JSR, and not just obviously banking related ones. However, if you still feel that they "don't belong", feel free to vote against them next time they are up for re-election in 2012. Assuming the JCP still exists by then. Neil On Dec 12, 12:26 am, Miroslav Pokorny <miroslav.poko...@gmail.com> wrote: > I never said my comments were perfect but IMHO it makes sense to pick ppl > directly related to the problem at hand. > > When outlining something about say a jsr about money - pick banks or > jodastephen, for a jsf related jsr pick from ice faces, rich faces etc. Btw > these are just examples I'm not saying I like or dislike jsf etc. > > I'm sorry ppl don't reply accurately to my original comment which quite > clearly qualified my comments referring to the java 7/8 jsrs. By cutting bits > out and only saying jsr/jcp they have lost the context of the original > thought. > > On 12/12/2010, at 10:00 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Stuart McCulloch wrote: > > >> On 11 December 2010 21:32, Miroslav Pokorny <miroslav.poko...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > >> On 12/12/2010, at 1:44 AM, Eric Newcomer <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> The Executive Committee of the JCP, to which Credit Suisse was elected by > >>> a strong supporting vote from Java vendors, does not create libraries. > >>> Nor does the JCP in general. The purpose of the organization is to > >>> sponsor the development and standardization of specifications, the goal > >>> of which is basically to ensure Java implementations are consistent. > > >>> It is not about innovation per se. If Google or another Java vendor > >>> develops a cool new library, that's fine and has no relationship to the > >>> JCP because the purpose of the JCP is to get agreement among all Java > >>> vendors about things such as what's in Java 7 or > > >> But credit Suisse is not a jvm or java vendor- their participation seems a > >> little strange given their field of expertise. On the other hand jar 330 > >> had some guys from weld, guide, spring etc which all makes sense because > >> those participants were very close to the problem at hand. > > >> Being very close to the problem is not always a good thing, you can > >> quickly lose sight of the bigger picture. So I can totally understand > >> Credit Suisse being on the JCP EC as a large Java consumer to provide some > >> balance. > > >> Otherwise we could end up with a VM + language which was easy to implement > >> and write frameworks with, but a pain to use for everyday projects! > > > Can you say JSR 19 (EJB 2.0)? It is interesting to look at the expert group > > for this. I'd been doing RPC/Corba type stuff for years and I almost cried > > when I saw that spec. It was OK for the vendors to tell them how to build > > the internals for interoperability, but it was a horrible spec to give to > > end users. I wonder if there had been less "experts" involved with this if > > we wouldn't have gotten a better result. > > > Ralph > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
