For example you appear to have no idea how JCP votes are carried out, yet feel free to imply corruption. Please check your facts if you expect anyone to take you seriously. I will no doubt regret replying when I see your response. Doesn't have to be that way, but I'm afraid it is.
Eric On Dec 12, 2010 10:16 PM, "Eric Newcomer" <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you made good points and took the time to understand what others said you > would be more likely to get a good response. I really hesitate to reply to > your posts since you don't seem to follow the discussion very well. > > Eric > On Dec 12, 2010 9:23 PM, "Miroslav Pokorny" <miroslav.poko...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> It would be nice if people were nice and gave some good will in reading > the >> ideas posted by others rather than attempting to stretch some point in a >> completely obvious wrong direction from the original thought. I think >> everybody knows Credit Suisse do not release their own jvm, the actual > point >> was quite the opposite they dont release in the general public domain >> concerning java. >> >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Stuart McCulloch <mccu...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>> On 12 December 2010 20:51, Miroslav Pokorny <miroslav.poko...@gmail.com >>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13/12/2010, at 3:27 AM, Eric Newcomer <enewco...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> In general, the discussion on this thread indicates some degree of >>>> confusion about the JCP. The JCP doesn't implement anything. Its purpose > is >>>> to define what's going to be implemented, by approving JSRs and >>>> specifications produced by JSRs. As has been said by others, if all >>>> participation in such decisions is by vendors, no good way exists to > resolve >>>> conflicts or to validate developer interest in the proposals. >>>> >>>> One classic example is EJB 2, as was noted here, but another is JBI vs >>>> SCA. Now we also have Jigsaw vs OSGi. >>>> >>>> And yes, Credit Suisse has more than 13,000 IT staff, most of whom are >>>> developers. I don't have exact figures on the breakdown, but it's safe > to >>>> say something like a third are Java developers. We definitely feel we > can >>>> represent the developer view on the JCP and we will try to influence the >>>> JSRs with that perspective. >>>> >>>> We haven't you being disclosing you work for Credit Suisse w/ all your >>>> posts - if you originally did I personally have forgotten. One should in > a >>>> matter like this include such conflicts of interests by clearly stating > such >>>> affiliations. >>>> >>>> Again you've said you have lots of developers but nothing else that IMHO >>>> means CS is a good choice like giving an example of some outcome or >>>> deliverable that we can all appreciate. I'm not sure why a deb count is > so >>>> important Spring does not have thousands or even hundreds , it's not a >>>> numbers game but quality should be the determining factor. >>>> >>> >>> if you feel strongly about who should be on the EC then you can always > join >>> the JCP as an individual (it's free, but you have to sign the JSPA) >>> >> >> Probably a positive suggestion.. >> >> >>> >>> http://jcp.org/en/participation/overview >>> >>> you could then lobby and vote for your preferred EC members (any concrete >>> suggestions?) - note that Credit Suisse was ratified by 76.72% >>> >> >> I wonder if Credit Suisse got all their employees and friends of employees >> to vote.. >> >> >>> >>> http://jcp.org/en/whatsnew/elections >>> >>> which suggests that many people in the JCP (at least those bothering to >>> vote) believes that they have something valuable to bring to the table >>> >>> [ I'm not an employee or associate of Credit Suisse and don't speak for >>> them ] >>> >>>> Eric >>>> On Dec 11, 2010 7:46 PM, "Ralph Goers" < <ralph.go...@gmail.com> >>>> ralph.go...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >>>> "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%25252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > >> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, Stuart >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%25252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > >> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mP >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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