I think it is odd that you want to recruit new developers with these
negative responses.  Getting new talented people to help with a project
might take a bit of sugar to get things moving.  

Comments like this, and others which you are prone to, will only make it
harder to find talented individuals who are willing to spend their free
time to help JBoss and thus help JBoss Group, which ultimately helps
you.

Seriously, a more supportive and friendly environment would do wonders
for JBoss.  That does not mean that some folks don't deserve a little
smack around now and then, but that should be the exception and not the
policy.

We are asking for help, but when help shows up we give them a big slap
and tell them to go figure it out themselves.  How does that help
anything?  Sure for the select few it might encourage them to prove
themselves by digging into the code and sorting out the madness, but as
you have mentioned before we don't need people proving their worth, we
need good people who can produce quality code.

Think about it.  Think how a small change to our PR could dramatically
help JBoss... or keep telling folks to SMD.

--jason


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of marc fleury
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:13 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Recruiting new developers
> 
> > sites, but know little about JBoss.  I came here to learn
> > about a year ago
> > but left, not feeling welcome.  Not crying, just letting you
> > know.  I have
> 
> you *are* crying.  Look there are really 3 ways to get seriously into
> the codebase.
> 
> 1- Go dig bugs.  You can't imagine the number that still come out of
the
> blue saying "bug here, fixed".  JBoss is not a magical whole with a
> magic formula where TADA you know it all. It is a collection of
loosely
> coupled modules and some of the problems are skin deep.  Fixing bugs
is
> the simplest way
> 
> 2- Buy the documentation (development). In fact that doco is really
> targeted at you guys, you can read all of it to know everything that
is
> going on module by module.
> 
> 3- Come to a training and get certified.  Let's face it the only way
you
> are going to spend a week solid learning about JBoss is if you take a
> week off and train yourself.  That is also how we make our living so
> really it is the best solution for everyone.
> 
> FYI I gave 2 passwords RW JUST today, one to a person working on the
XA
> stuff with David (bug fixing and good work) and the other one to a
star
> student of the palma training who had already submitted 3 fixes and
> showed great understanding (shouldn't say "student" since michael is
> probaly 40 :).  Both are extremelly promising and producing top code.
> 
> So stop crying, I am totally unimpressed by your "story", just get
going
> and do it, there are many ways to get in.
> 
> Get in, I hope to see you at the next hosted training.
> 
> marcf
> 
> 
> 
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