On 2002.11.08 23:33:50 -0500 Matt Munz wrote:
> David,
> 
> > Hard to know.  We do have the minimal jboss configuration, which is a
> good
> > starting place: as I recall basically all it can do is deploy .sars.
> AFAIK
> 
> I'm thinking of a minimal that is perhaps smaller than that.  I think
> that
> the MBean API + proxies should be sufficient for many clients.

Currently setting up the sar deployer is done in the jboss startup code,
and the "minimal" jboss-service.xml is then read in.  Without this, how do
you propose to efficiently deploy and configure mbeans?

> 
> > It's a lot easier for me to think about the container starting first,
> and
> I
> > think it will provide less surprising performance, but I'm not sure we
> can
> 
> Isn't Dain's method just lazy instantiation (by definition harder to
> measure
> performance-wise)?  I imagine a client proxy factory that 1) checks for
> an
> mbean server, creates it if necessary, and then 2) checks if required
> client-side MBeans are loaded and then loads them if necessary, before
> returning the proxy.

Agreed.  On the other hand, it might be useful to make everything be loaded
by one of our classloaders.  I seem to recall that in java 1.4 one can
specify the system classloader on startup.  Could we use this to force our
classloader to set up an mbean server to manage itself?  This would be a
fairly transparent way to get the mbean server started immediately.

> 
> Either way, this all sounds good.  Too bad I don't have a real use for it
> yet ;)
> 

Just wait till its written :-)

david jencks

>  - Matt
> 
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