Hi

Oohh, the power of legal issues, you can justify nearly everything.

Instead of looking for a mutual compromise to resolve this issue
Marc (and others) sought a more terminal solution.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'JBoss Group'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: jRE: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye II


> Andy is working on a competing implementation to jboss.  His own lawyers
> at his company have requested he not work on JBoss, he was doing so
> anyway under an alias.  We only found out about the competing aspect a
> couple of days ago. To protect ourselves legally, we removed Andy's RW,
> we will in fact remove the code contributions.  We cannot have a
> competitor's code in our base as it exposes us legally.  It is only the
> second time this has happened in our history.  The mail below is an
> expression of Andy's personal gripes and bitterness.  Period.
> 
> marcf
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
> > Behalf Of Michael Bartmann
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye II
> > 
> > 
> > None of the JBG supporters has written everything by himself. 
> > This is of course a matter of control and organization, which 
> > you do very well as "master of the tree". I wont let 
> > everybody do everything, but if somebody wants to contribute 
> > "in the right direction" he should not be blocked.
> > 
> > OTOH if somebody would insist to commit something you dont 
> > want to go in and he refuses to restrain himself this is 
> > another question. In the end you'll have to protect jbg (and 
> > jboss) from sabotage.
> > 
> > I cannot judge about what happend in Andy's case; most of the 
> > discussion fortunately seems to have happened in private 
> > mail. I just want to get rid of the doubt that something went 
> > wrong due to political reasons. Otherwise contributors might 
> > come to the conclusion that they support jbg, not the jboss community.
> > 
> > So I simply wanted to provoke some clarifications; a little
> > bit of meta-discussion might be ok on this list and of 
> > interest for other contributors, too.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Michael Bartmann
> > 
> > PS.: The forum would be ok for me, simply tell me where to go...
> > 
> > 
> > Scott M Stark wrote:
> > > Development and support are not separable. Do you let anyone modify 
> > > code you support? This discussion needs to move the forums. 
> > Marc will 
> > > take it up tomorrow.
> > > 
> > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Scott Stark
> > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > JBoss Group, LLC
> > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Bartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye II
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>- Andy: please keep cool and stay online (I like EJB timers :-)
> > >>- Marc: consider developing and consulting as two different jboss 
> > >>ASPECTS.
> > >>
> > >>Again, I fear I misjudge because of lacking knowledge, but 
> > I couldn't 
> > >>resist to comment on this. I really don't like the idea of 
> > >>non-technical clash on jboss-developement.
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>Michael Bartmann
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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