I agree with the meta point that it would be better to have a publicly defined structure for how the JBoss project is managed, but I think you are the wrong advocate for this issue. I actually think you make it less likely that such a thing will ever occur. Andy, if you want to be honest with everyone, why don't you start by answering the following questions?
Do you work for a commercial J2EE tools vendor (it is your choice to tell everyone who you work specifically for)?
Does your company want you to work on JBoss?
Do you own your own work anymore?
I think everyone will agree that the legal issues alone are enough to remove rw from someone.
If you get your legal issues cleared up, I think they may reconsider, but as you have already stepped outside of the legal boundaries laid down by your employer, I personally would not risk give you rw again. The good think for you is I don't make those decisions.
-dain
On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 11:19 AM, Andy wrote:
Hi Oohh, the power of legal issues, you can justify nearly everything.Instead of looking for a mutual compromise to resolve this issue Marc (and others) sought a more terminal solution. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'JBoss Group'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: jRE: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye IIAndy is working on a competing implementation to jboss. His own lawyers
at his company have requested he not work on JBoss, he was doing so
anyway under an alias. We only found out about the competing aspect a
couple of days ago. To protect ourselves legally, we removed Andy's RW,
we will in fact remove the code contributions. We cannot have a
competitor's code in our base as it exposes us legally. It is only the
second time this has happened in our history. The mail below is an
expression of Andy's personal gripes and bitterness. Period.
marcf
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Michael Bartmann
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye II
None of the JBG supporters has written everything by himself.
This is of course a matter of control and organization, which
you do very well as "master of the tree". I wont let
everybody do everything, but if somebody wants to contribute
"in the right direction" he should not be blocked.
OTOH if somebody would insist to commit something you dont
want to go in and he refuses to restrain himself this is
another question. In the end you'll have to protect jbg (and
jboss) from sabotage.
I cannot judge about what happend in Andy's case; most of the
discussion fortunately seems to have happened in private
mail. I just want to get rid of the doubt that something went
wrong due to political reasons. Otherwise contributors might
come to the conclusion that they support jbg, not the jboss community.
So I simply wanted to provoke some clarifications; a little
bit of meta-discussion might be ok on this list and of
interest for other contributors, too.
Regards,
Michael Bartmann
PS.: The forum would be ok for me, simply tell me where to go...
Scott M Stark wrote:
Development and support are not separable. Do you let anyone modify code you support? This discussion needs to move the forums.Marc willtake it up tomorrow. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Good-bye II- Andy: please keep cool and stay online (I like EJB timers :-) - Marc: consider developing and consulting as two different jboss ASPECTS. Again, I fear I misjudge because of lacking knowledge, butI couldn'tresist to comment on this. I really don't like the idea of non-technical clash on jboss-developement. Regards, Michael Bartmann------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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