yep - I hear what you're saying.

thanks for the feedback.

cheers
dim

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Guy Rouillier wrote:

> Only the immediate state is kept in the message, not the whole workflow.
> The whole workflow is potentially quite large, and you don't want these
> bloated messages travelling around; the overhead is too high.  Messages
> should be as small as possible.  So what I'm thinking is that you distribute
> the workflow config file to all servers that are potentially involved
> (solves a failover scenario nicely as a side benefit.)  When a new message
> arrives at A, A checks the state in the message, which will be
> uninitialized, so A knows that it has to start workflow on this message with
> task A-1.  When task A-1 completes, the workflow manager reads the config
> and determines the next task is B2.  The workflow manager attaches the
> current state to the message, either the last task completed A1 or the next
> task in line B2.  I'd prefer the last task completed; that way when you are
> all done, the state will be the end of the workflow B4 instead of null
> again, which would be indistinguishable from a message that hasn't been
> started.  The workflow manager on A then sends the message on to B.
> 
> B gets the message, sees that it's current state is set to A1, the last task
> completed, so it knows that workflow has already been started.  It reads the
> config file (the same one that A read) and determines the next task is B2.
> This process continues until the workflow is finished.  At that point the
> state is set to complete and the message is sent back to its source.
> 
> Tasks and messages are completely independent.  The workflow manager is what
> glues them together.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dmitri Colebatch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Guy Rouillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] MDB dispatcher pattern - opinions
> 
> 
> > So you're saying that the info is stored in the message, and in config in
> > the servers?  ie.  When a server receives a message for B-2 it knows the
> > next destination must be A-3?  Doesn't quite add up... how does one reuse
> > tasks individually.
> >
> > What I had been thinking was having the initial destination populate the
> > complete list of tasks (based on a config file) and send the message on
> > its way.  So A-1 may in fact not do anything, apart from create the
> > message path of B-2, A-3, B-4 and send the message again.  This way the
> > configuration is confined to "B".  Suppose I know of a JBoss server
> > somewhere accepting SOAP/SMTP messages in this format, and I want to use
> > some functionality there, before doing something, then I wouldn't
> > (presumably) be able to change the cnfig on that server....
> >
> > am I making sense/did I understand what you suggested?
> >
> > cheers
> > dim
> >
> >
> 
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