Okay, now that I decided to get into this conversation in the first place,
apparently I'm getting INTO the conversation. You people need to stop
this. :)

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Dwan, James wrote:

> I was not suggesting that generated code is better than hand written and I
> think most of us after a time end up coding most Swing by hand. How much of
> this is down to Swing and the fact that no effective visual design tool has
> been produced, I am not sure. When doing .NET
> GUI programming for example, it never occurs to me to compose a dialog by

What language are you using for .NET? What's the system impact of the
generated code? A lot of Swing issues are caused by overuse of created
objects, and poor use of the objects created. I'd be interested in knowing
how .NET handles this stuff, and if it's, like, portable.

> hand because the visual editor makes it so quick and easy (one of very few
> things which is better about .NET programming!). Visual Age's visual editor
> got very close to this goal but was so buggy that it was ultimately more
> efficient to program it by hand (VAJ is dead, long live Eclipse!). However,
> when the pressure is on to quickly knock together a dialog, being able to
> just drop the relevant beans onto a pane can prove very useful.

Thinlets!

... and Eclipse doesn't have a Swing throw-together tool yet anyway, does
it? (I haven't seen it, but I don't use Eclipse very often so it's quite
possible I've completely missed it.)

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