Sorry Joseph and don't get me started on one of my anti-.NET rants. We use C# and VB.NET. Its not portable but we are only targeting Windows desktops. .NET's framework is much easier than Swing for getting together quick and dirty Windows specific GUIs but then again its not trying to be platform independent (regardless of M$'s claims) and doesn't use MVC, where you get the pay back in the long term. On the project until the end of March and then its back to Java :)
-----Original Message----- From: Joseph Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 December 2002 13:36 To: JDJList Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Which IDE to use Okay, now that I decided to get into this conversation in the first place, apparently I'm getting INTO the conversation. You people need to stop this. :) On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Dwan, James wrote: > I was not suggesting that generated code is better than hand written and I > think most of us after a time end up coding most Swing by hand. How much of > this is down to Swing and the fact that no effective visual design tool has > been produced, I am not sure. When doing .NET > GUI programming for example, it never occurs to me to compose a dialog by What language are you using for .NET? What's the system impact of the generated code? A lot of Swing issues are caused by overuse of created objects, and poor use of the objects created. I'd be interested in knowing how .NET handles this stuff, and if it's, like, portable. > hand because the visual editor makes it so quick and easy (one of very few > things which is better about .NET programming!). Visual Age's visual editor > got very close to this goal but was so buggy that it was ultimately more > efficient to program it by hand (VAJ is dead, long live Eclipse!). However, > when the pressure is on to quickly knock together a dialog, being able to > just drop the relevant beans onto a pane can prove very useful. Thinlets! ... and Eclipse doesn't have a Swing throw-together tool yet anyway, does it? (I haven't seen it, but I don't use Eclipse very often so it's quite possible I've completely missed it.) --------------------------------------------------------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant ____________________________________________________ To change your JDJList options, please visit: http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying ____________________________________________________ ======================================================================= Information in this email and any attachments are confidential, and may not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor disclosed to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to create any legally binding contract or other commitment through the use of this email. Experian Limited (registration number 653331). Registered office: Talbot House, Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5HF ____________________________________________________ To change your JDJList options, please visit: http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying ____________________________________________________
