Wow! I've haven't seen this much interest in the paper(s) for a long, long time. It is, however, refreshing, to see that there is considerable interest in the underlying Rete algorithm from so many people (er, persons?). Anyway, I contacted Dr. Forgy some time ago (like two weeks?) about both papers (his dissertation and the AI publication) and he does not have either one in electronic form. He does have a copy of his thesis in hard copy. His 1979 thesis is 178 pages that we "could" scan in, but that is not the best way. I've been toying with the idea of using some OCR software to scan in the whole thing and then "re-do" the diagrams in a more modern format. I'm 99.4% sure that he would have no objection since the entire thing was done under a DOD grant. And, he's a really nice person.
On the other hand, Ernest is 100% correct that the AI publication is copyrighted and we cannot publish, display or show where to get that one. My only suggestion would be to get the publisher to put it out on their web site for down loads for a small fee, say $5 or something like that. Ernest's other suggestion is also good; go to your local university library archives and make your own copies. I've done that before and, although it takes some time, it's worth the effort. For most of our group, the discussion that Ernest put together on his web site should be sufficient. It does show the high-level view of the Rete algorithm and is quite understandable. The code for implementing is freely available from JEOPS, http://www.di.ufpe.br/~jeops/ so you can see how to do that part as well. One final note: I've noticed that most who get the thesis glance at the first chapter and then put it on the shelf to study when things are less hectic and they never get around to actually reading the good stuff. But, it looks nice on your personal library shelf, right? Just my two cents. :-) SDG jco ------------------------------------------------------ James C. Owen Senior KE Knowledgebased Systems Corporation 6314 Kelly Circle Garland, TX 75044 972.530.2895 Agustin Gonzalez wrote: > Maybe it's time for one of us, especially those of us that have the paper > and are trained, to create a formal paper describing the public domain RETE > algorithm and make the paper publicly available? I can do that if there is > enough interest and enough people agrees with me that I won;t have any > legal problems (I don't think so because it is public domain). > > --- > Agustin Gonzalez, Principal > Town Lake Software > www.townlakesoftware.com > (512) 248-9839 > > On Friday, February 01, 2002 8:44 AM, James Patterson > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > I can tell you that it is a waste of time trying to contact the > > publisher... An Elsevier representative told me that the issue is out of > > print and they do not have reprint service anymore. They offered to > > individually reprint the entire journal issue for a couple of hundred > > dollars (my boss said no). I'm not a student and therefore can't get > > any cooperation from the local universities. I even emailed Dr Forgy > > (and tried to find a coworker of his during a stint at Ericcson) about > > the Elsevier problems (but they didn't respond - and I started feeling > > like a stalker so I gave up). > > > > Good luck, > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Behalf Of Oliver Hoffmann > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:54 AM > > To: Jess Mailing List > > Subject: JESS: "publications" / Forgy paper > > > > > > Hi :) > > > > I highly doubt that the contents of published academic papers are > > generally > > copyright protected. What might be copyright protected is the specific > > paper version of a specific paper as distributed by a specific > > publisher. > > The point of publishing research results is to make them readily > > available, > > therefore "copyright" is simply the wrong approach here. More > > information on http://www.cogsci.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm > > I don't want to encourage anyone to re-distribute scanned journal pages > > without authorization etc., but there are better ways to deal with > > academic > > content than waiting for a library employee to get a photocopy .... > > within > > some weeks. I highly recommend self-archiving content and making these > > copies available over personal or university web sites and I also highly > > > > recommend getting original articles from the people or institutions that > > > > created them - everything else is pre-internet and a waste of time and > > effort. > > > > :) Oliver Hoffmann > > > > At 04:23 AM 1/02/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > > > >This comes up periodically, so please forgive the intrusion while I > > >discuss it, once again. > > > > > >The Charles Forgy paper on the Rete algorithm was published in an > > >academic journal called "Artificial Intelligence." The contents are > > >protected by copyright law. Although you can make a photocopy for your > > >own use, it's illegal to (for instance) scan it into your computer and > > >post the result on the Internet. Whatever you do, do -not- post a copy > > >to this mailing list, nor even post the URL where it might be > > >downloaded. This goes for any other copyrighted material as well, of > > >course. If you're interested in getting a copy of this paper (or any > > >academic paper): > > > > > >1) Go to your local public library, or the library of your local > > >college or University; or ask a student friend or a friend in another > > >country to do so. > > > > > >2) Check their collection for the appropriate issue of the journal. > > >It's 20 years old, so may be on microfilm or archived in some other > > >way. Ask the librarian for help -- that's why they're there. > > > > > >3) If they have it, great, make yourself a copy. > > > > > >4) If they don't, go to the front desk and ask them to get a copy > > >through the "Interlibrary Loan" program. They should be able to get it > > >within a few weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > > >Ernest Friedman-Hill > > >Distributed Systems Research Phone: (925) 294-2154 > > >Sandia National Labs FAX: (925) 294-2234 > > >Org. 8920, MS 9012 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >PO Box 969 http://herzberg.ca.sandia.gov > > >Livermore, CA 94550 > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, send the words 'unsubscribe jess-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > >in the BODY of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT to the list (use > > >your own address!) List problems? 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