James, if you could scan Dr. Forgy's thesis and convert it to pdf, that would be great :)
is there also a publication on the Rete II algorithm? http://www.pst.com/ claims that it would be much faster... his email is defunct, it seems (see error quoted below) :) Oliver At 03:24 PM 1/02/2002 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at relay.pair.com. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >206.46.164.23 does not like recipient. >Remote host said: 550 Invalid recipient: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Giving up on 206.46.164.23. At 06:47 AM 1/02/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Another option, of course, is to write to the author of the paper and >see if you can get a freebie. Dr. Forgy can be reached at >[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:50 AM 1/02/2002 -0600, James C. Owen wrote: >Wow! I've haven't seen this much interest in the paper(s) for a long, long >time. It is, however, refreshing, to see that there is considerable interest >in the underlying Rete algorithm from so many people (er, >persons?). Anyway, I >contacted Dr. Forgy some time ago (like two weeks?) about both papers (his >dissertation and the AI publication) and he does not have either one in >electronic form. He does have a copy of his thesis in hard copy. His 1979 >thesis is 178 pages that we "could" scan in, but that is not the best way. >I've been toying with the idea of using some OCR software to scan in the whole >thing and then "re-do" the diagrams in a more modern format. I'm 99.4% sure >that he would have no objection since the entire thing was done under a DOD >grant. And, he's a really nice person. > >On the other hand, Ernest is 100% correct that the AI publication is >copyrighted and we cannot publish, display or show where to get that one. My >only suggestion would be to get the publisher to put it out on their web site >for down loads for a small fee, say $5 or something like that. Ernest's other >suggestion is also good; go to your local university library archives and make >your own copies. I've done that before and, although it takes some time, it's >worth the effort. > >For most of our group, the discussion that Ernest put together on his web site >should be sufficient. It does show the high-level view of the Rete algorithm >and is quite understandable. The code for implementing is freely available >from JEOPS, http://www.di.ufpe.br/~jeops/ so you can see how to do that >part as >well. One final note: I've noticed that most who get the thesis glance >at the >first chapter and then put it on the shelf to study when things are less >hectic >and they never get around to actually reading the good stuff. But, it looks >nice on your personal library shelf, right? Just my two cents. :-) > >SDG >jco > >------------------------------------------------------ >James C. Owen >Senior KE >Knowledgebased Systems Corporation >6314 Kelly Circle >Garland, TX 75044 >972.530.2895 > > >Agustin Gonzalez wrote: > > > Maybe it's time for one of us, especially those of us that have the paper > > and are trained, to create a formal paper describing the public domain RETE > > algorithm and make the paper publicly available? I can do that if there is > > enough interest and enough people agrees with me that I won;t have any > > legal problems (I don't think so because it is public domain). > > > > --- > > Agustin Gonzalez, Principal > > Town Lake Software > > www.townlakesoftware.com > > (512) 248-9839 > > > > On Friday, February 01, 2002 8:44 AM, James Patterson > > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > I can tell you that it is a waste of time trying to contact the > > > publisher... An Elsevier representative told me that the issue is out of > > > print and they do not have reprint service anymore. They offered to > > > individually reprint the entire journal issue for a couple of hundred > > > dollars (my boss said no). I'm not a student and therefore can't get > > > any cooperation from the local universities. I even emailed Dr Forgy > > > (and tried to find a coworker of his during a stint at Ericcson) about > > > the Elsevier problems (but they didn't respond - and I started feeling > > > like a stalker so I gave up). > > > > > > Good luck, > > > James > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > On Behalf Of Oliver Hoffmann > > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:54 AM > > > To: Jess Mailing List > > > Subject: JESS: "publications" / Forgy paper > > > > > > > > > Hi :) > > > > > > I highly doubt that the contents of published academic papers are > > > generally > > > copyright protected. What might be copyright protected is the specific > > > paper version of a specific paper as distributed by a specific > > > publisher. > > > The point of publishing research results is to make them readily > > > available, > > > therefore "copyright" is simply the wrong approach here. More > > > information on http://www.cogsci.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm > > > I don't want to encourage anyone to re-distribute scanned journal pages > > > without authorization etc., but there are better ways to deal with > > > academic > > > content than waiting for a library employee to get a photocopy .... > > > within > > > some weeks. I highly recommend self-archiving content and making these > > > copies available over personal or university web sites and I also highly > > > > > > recommend getting original articles from the people or institutions that > > > > > > created them - everything else is pre-internet and a waste of time and > > > effort. > > > > > > :) Oliver Hoffmann > > > > > > At 04:23 AM 1/02/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >Hi Folks, > > > > > > > >This comes up periodically, so please forgive the intrusion while I > > > >discuss it, once again. > > > > > > > >The Charles Forgy paper on the Rete algorithm was published in an > > > >academic journal called "Artificial Intelligence." The contents are > > > >protected by copyright law. Although you can make a photocopy for your > > > >own use, it's illegal to (for instance) scan it into your computer and > > > >post the result on the Internet. Whatever you do, do -not- post a copy > > > >to this mailing list, nor even post the URL where it might be > > > >downloaded. This goes for any other copyrighted material as well, of > > > >course. If you're interested in getting a copy of this paper (or any > > > >academic paper): > > > > > > > >1) Go to your local public library, or the library of your local > > > >college or University; or ask a student friend or a friend in another > > > >country to do so. > > > > > > > >2) Check their collection for the appropriate issue of the journal. > > > >It's 20 years old, so may be on microfilm or archived in some other > > > >way. Ask the librarian for help -- that's why they're there. > > > > > > > >3) If they have it, great, make yourself a copy. > > > > > > > >4) If they don't, go to the front desk and ask them to get a copy > > > >through the "Interlibrary Loan" program. They should be able to get it > > > >within a few weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Ernest Friedman-Hill > > > >Distributed Systems Research Phone: (925) 294-2154 > > > >Sandia National Labs FAX: (925) 294-2234 > > > >Org. 8920, MS 9012 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >PO Box 969 http://herzberg.ca.sandia.gov > > > >Livermore, CA 94550 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send the words 'unsubscribe jess-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in the BODY of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT to the list (use your own address!) List problems? Notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------
