James,

if you could scan Dr. Forgy's thesis and convert it to pdf, that would be 
great :)

is there also a publication on the Rete II algorithm?
http://www.pst.com/
claims that it would be much faster...

his email is defunct, it seems (see error quoted below)

:) Oliver

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At 06:47 AM 1/02/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Another option, of course, is to write to the author of the paper and
>see if you can get a freebie. Dr. Forgy can be reached at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 11:50 AM 1/02/2002 -0600, James C. Owen wrote:
>Wow!  I've haven't seen this much interest in the paper(s) for a long, long
>time.  It is, however, refreshing, to see that there is considerable interest
>in the underlying Rete algorithm from so many people (er, 
>persons?).  Anyway, I
>contacted Dr. Forgy some time ago (like two weeks?) about both papers (his
>dissertation and the AI publication) and he does not have either one in
>electronic form.  He does have a copy of his thesis in hard copy.  His 1979
>thesis is 178 pages that we "could" scan in, but that is not the best way.
>I've been toying with the idea of using some OCR software to scan in the whole
>thing and then "re-do" the diagrams in a more modern format.  I'm 99.4% sure
>that he would have no objection since the entire thing was done under a DOD
>grant.  And, he's a really nice person.
>
>On the other hand, Ernest is 100% correct that the AI publication is
>copyrighted and we cannot publish, display or show where to get that one.  My
>only suggestion would be to get the publisher to put it out on their web site
>for down loads for a small fee, say $5 or something like that.  Ernest's other
>suggestion is also good; go to your local university library archives and make
>your own copies.  I've done that before and, although it takes some time, it's
>worth the effort.
>
>For most of our group, the discussion that Ernest put together on his web site
>should be sufficient.  It does show the high-level view of the Rete algorithm
>and is quite understandable.  The code for implementing is freely available
>from JEOPS, http://www.di.ufpe.br/~jeops/ so you can see how to do that 
>part as
>well.  One final note:  I've noticed that most who get the thesis glance 
>at the
>first chapter and then put it on the shelf to study when things are less 
>hectic
>and they never get around to actually reading the good stuff.  But, it looks
>nice on your personal library shelf, right?  Just my two cents.  :-)
>
>SDG
>jco
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>James C. Owen
>Senior KE
>Knowledgebased Systems Corporation
>6314 Kelly Circle
>Garland, TX   75044
>972.530.2895
>
>
>Agustin Gonzalez wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's time for one of us, especially those of us that have the paper
> > and are trained, to create a formal paper describing the public domain RETE
> > algorithm and make the paper publicly available? I can do that if there is
> > enough interest and enough people agrees with me that I won;t have any
> > legal problems (I don't think so because it is public domain).
> >
> > ---
> > Agustin Gonzalez, Principal
> > Town Lake Software
> > www.townlakesoftware.com
> > (512) 248-9839
> >
> > On Friday, February 01, 2002 8:44 AM, James Patterson
> > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > > I can tell you that it is a waste of time trying to contact the
> > > publisher... An Elsevier representative told me that the issue is out of
> > > print and they do not have reprint service anymore. They offered to
> > > individually reprint the entire journal issue for a couple of hundred
> > > dollars (my boss said no).  I'm not a student and therefore can't get
> > > any cooperation from the local universities.  I even emailed Dr Forgy
> > > (and tried to find a coworker of his during a stint at Ericcson) about
> > > the Elsevier problems (but they didn't respond - and I started feeling
> > > like a stalker so I gave up).
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > James
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > On Behalf Of Oliver Hoffmann
> > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > To: Jess Mailing List
> > > Subject: JESS: "publications" / Forgy paper
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi :)
> > >
> > > I highly doubt that the contents of published academic papers are
> > > generally
> > > copyright protected. What might be copyright protected is the specific
> > > paper version of a specific paper as distributed by a specific
> > > publisher.
> > > The point of publishing research results is to make them readily
> > > available,
> > > therefore "copyright" is simply the wrong approach here. More
> > > information on http://www.cogsci.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm
> > > I don't want to encourage anyone to re-distribute scanned journal pages
> > > without authorization etc., but there are better ways to deal with
> > > academic
> > > content than waiting for a library employee to get a photocopy ....
> > > within
> > > some weeks. I highly recommend self-archiving content and making these
> > > copies available over personal or university web sites and I also highly
> > >
> > > recommend getting original articles from the people or institutions that
> > >
> > > created them - everything else is pre-internet and a waste of time and
> > > effort.
> > >
> > > :) Oliver Hoffmann
> > >
> > > At 04:23 AM 1/02/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > >This comes up periodically, so please forgive the intrusion while I
> > > >discuss it, once again.
> > > >
> > > >The Charles Forgy paper on the Rete algorithm was published in an
> > > >academic journal called "Artificial Intelligence." The contents are
> > > >protected by copyright law. Although you can make a photocopy for your
> > > >own use, it's illegal to (for instance) scan it into your computer and
> > > >post the result on the Internet. Whatever you do, do -not- post a copy
> > > >to this mailing list, nor even post the URL where it might be
> > > >downloaded. This goes for any other copyrighted material as well, of
> > > >course. If you're interested in getting a copy of this paper (or any
> > > >academic paper):
> > > >
> > > >1) Go to your local public library, or the library of your local
> > > >college or University; or ask a student friend or a friend in another
> > > >country to do so.
> > > >
> > > >2) Check their collection for the appropriate issue of the journal.
> > > >It's 20 years old, so may be on microfilm or archived in some other
> > > >way. Ask the librarian for help -- that's why they're there.
> > > >
> > > >3) If they have it, great, make yourself a copy.
> > > >
> > > >4) If they don't, go to the front desk and ask them to get a copy
> > > >through the "Interlibrary Loan" program. They should be able to get it
> > > >within a few weeks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >---------------------------------------------------------
> > > >Ernest Friedman-Hill
> > > >Distributed Systems Research        Phone: (925) 294-2154
> > > >Sandia National Labs                FAX:   (925) 294-2234
> > > >Org. 8920, MS 9012                  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >PO Box 969                  http://herzberg.ca.sandia.gov
> > > >Livermore, CA 94550


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